# Cheese and pickle sandwich (British) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [June 28, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016 "2022-06-28T02:50:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/61 "2022-07-06T14:44:38Z")
**Corned beef** , or **salt beef** in the [Commonwealth of Nations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations), is [salt-cured](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt-cured_meat) [brisket](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisket) of beef.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corned_beef#cite_note-1) The term comes from the treatment of the meat with large-grained [rock salt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_salt), also called “corns” of [salt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt). Sometimes, [sugar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) and [spices](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spice) are added to corned beef recipes. Corned beef is featured as an ingredient in many cuisines. Most recipes include [nitrates](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrate), which convert the natural [myoglobin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myoglobin) in beef to [nitrosomyoglobin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitroso), giving it a pink color. Nitrates and nitrites reduce the risk of dangerous [botulism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism) during [curing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_(food_preservation)) by inhibiting the growth of _[Clostridium botulinum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clostridium_botulinum)_ bacteria spores, per Wiki ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/62 "2022-07-06T14:50:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The US does not have anything we call “bully beef”. The only time Americans ever use the term “bully” is for a child or person with the maturity of a child who harasses others for amusement. Nor do we have any sort of meat served with maize grains, neither packaged together nor served together. American “Corned Beef” is treated with salt, but I don’t think it’s sodium chloride; I think it might be some sort of nitrate. Erm, thanks for the explanation of the word “bully”, I’ll stick it on my top piece of patronisation of this year. People in the US don’t eat it. I heard it was what it would be called, I don’t know, if you don’t eat it. It was something which was in wartime rations for the british army, and I’ve been told the US soldiers called it that. The point being it’s something different, completely different, in the two countries. I don’t eat Peanut butter, I’ve only been told by those who do, that the US version is sweet and the UK version is savoury. Perhaps they are the same, but the Brits don’t tend to mix sweet and savoury like the americans do (no bacon AND syrup on pancakes, and lots of other examples). Someone with more expertise might be able to comment for me. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/63 "2022-07-06T14:52:09Z")
I prefer chunky peanut butter to smooth, but I can’t eat it any more because I’m dentally challenged. The peanut butter sold in supermarkets does have sugar in it, but it’s not particularly sweet. Its flavor is close to that of roasted, salted peanuts. You can buy plain “organic” peanut butter without salt or sugar—it’s simply ground peanuts and peanut oil, which of course separate during storage. I have a jar of it that I keep in the fridge to prevent the oil from going rancid. I sometimes eat it straight out of the jar, but mostly I use it for cooking Asian dishes. I believe the “corned” in tinned corned/bully beef (which comes from places like Argentina and Australia) refers to the manner in which it’s processed. So far as I know, it contains no grains of corn. If you ask for “corned beef” at a deli, you’ll be given slices of cured beef, most likely very thinly sliced for sandwiches. It’s similar to pastrami and can be paired with it to make a “Woody Allen.” > **[Corned beef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corned_beef)** > > Corned beef, or salt beef in some of the Commonwealth of Nations, is salt-cured brisket of beef. The term comes from the treatment of the meat with large-grained rock salt, also called "corns" of salt. Sometimes, sugar and spices are added to corned beef recipes. Corned beef is featured as an ingredient in many cuisines. > Most recipes include nitrates, which convert the natural myoglobin in beef to nitrosomyoglobin, giving it a pink color. Nitrates and nitrites reduce the risk of dangerous botu... > **[Pastrami](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastrami)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Pastrami (Romanian: pastramă) is a food originating from Romania usually made from beef brisket, or from lamb, pork, chicken or turkey. The raw meat is brined, partially dried, seasoned with herbs and spices, then smoked and steamed. Like corned beef, pastrami was originally created as a way to preserve meat before the invention of refrigeration. One of the iconic meats of Romanian cuisine as well as American Jewish cuisine and the New York City... > **[Carnegie Deli](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Deli)** > > The Carnegie Deli is a small Jewish delicatessen, formerly a chain, based in New York City. Its main branch, opened in 1937 near Carnegie Hall, was located at 854 7th Avenue (between 54th and 55th Streets) in Midtown Manhattan. It closed on December 31, 2016. There is one branch still in operation at Madison Square Garden in Manhattan, and the deli still operates a wholesale distribution service.\[note 1\] > The Parker family's delicatessen was in its third generation of owners. Among the United Sta... As for the term “bully beef,” it has nothing to do with schoolyard bullies: > **[Bully beef](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_beef)** > > Bully beef (also known as corned beef in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Singapore, Indonesia and other Commonwealth countries as well as the United States) is a variety of meat made from finely minced corned beef in a small amount of gelatin. The name "bully beef" likely comes from the French bouilli (meaning "boiled") in Napoleonic times, or possibly from the head of a bull depicted on the popular Hereford brand of canned corned beef. The cans have a distinctive oblong shape. Bully beef ... The corned beef eaten with cabbage on St Patrick’s Day in the US is a whole cut of cured beef (usually brisket) that’s stewed along with the veg and then cut up. It is not a traditional Irish dish—it was adopted by Irish immigrants in the US because of the availability of cured beef at the time. Back home, they would most likely have eaten pork, if they had any meat at all. > **[Favorite Corned Beef and Cabbage](https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/favorite-corned-beef-and-cabbage/)** > > It may be the most famous dish to eat on St. Patrick's Day, but this Irish-American corned beef recipe is a favorite at our table all year long. This is how to make corned beef and cabbage. —Evelyn Kenney, Trenton, New Jersey > **[Is Corned Beef Really Irish?](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/is-corned-beef-really-irish-2839144/)** > > The rise and fall and rise of the traditional St. Patrick's Day meal ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/64 "2022-07-06T15:24:37Z")
While we’re at it… I just went through my cupboards and found the following items I’ve acquired over the years. Perhaps those who know can give me some idea of what they can be paired with besides lamb: Heinz Piccalilli; Mother’s Mango Pickle (Mild); Sherwood’s Bombay Club Mango Chutney; Patak’s Major Grey Chutney; Baxters Albert’s Victorian Chutney. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/65 "2022-07-06T15:31:09Z")
> **[Sabich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabich)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > > Sabich or sabih (Hebrew: סביח \[saˈbiχ\]) is a sandwich of pita or laffa bread stuffed with fried eggplants, hard boiled eggs, chopped salad, parsley, amba and tahini sauce. It is an Iraqi Jewish dish that has become a staple of Israeli cuisine, as a result of Iraqi Jewish immigration to Israel. Its ingredients are based on a traditional quick breakfast of Iraqi Jews and is traditionally made with laffa, which is nicknamed Iraqi pita. Sabich is s... ---
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I like piccalilli with ham. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/67 "2022-07-06T15:35:33Z")
Question: Can a Sabich be made with the so-called “eggplant caviar” that’s popular in Eastern Europe? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/68 "2022-07-06T15:37:31Z")
Major Grey’s chutney goes amazingly well with Cool Ranch Doritos. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/69 "2022-07-06T15:40:43Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Question: Can a Sabich be made with the so-called “eggplant caviar” that’s popular in Eastern Europe? Why not? Sounds good to me. Whether the sabich place has any instead of eggplant slices is a good question, but if you are making one yourself, no problem. ---
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There are very sweet peanut butters, but i think of peanut butter as a savory. And even some of the sweeter ones, like Jif, are primarily savory. Jif has 12 calories from sugar in a 190 calorie serving. Skippy, another major brand, seems to have smaller servings, with 8 calories from sugar in a 100 calorie serving. Every grocery store will offer at least one brand that has no added sugar, often labeled “natural”. Most every brand gives you the choice of “smooth” or “chunky” (with bits of unground peanut added back.) Of course, PB&J is also sweet, as the jelly is always a sweet jelly, usually grape jelly or strawberry jam, although there are lots of other options. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/71 "2022-07-06T16:14:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The only time Americans ever use the term “bully” is for a child or person with the maturity of a child who harasses others for amusement There’s also “bully sticks” as a dog treat. They are dried bull penises/penes. ---
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> [@pulykamell](#): > > There’s also “bully sticks” as a dog treat. And the [American Bully](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bully), a dog breed (not AKC recognized) ---
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And the phrase “bully for you!” Or is that a UK idiom? I sometimes forget which idioms are US and which I’ve picked up along the way. Oh, and riffing off your example, there’s the general descriptor “bully breed” for pit bull or bulldog related dogs. ---
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US slang? _True Grit_: > “Hurrah!” I joyfully exclaimed. “Hurrah for the man from Texas! Some bully shot!” LaBoeuf was pleased with himself and he reloaded his rifle. ---
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> [@pulykamell](#): > > Or is that a UK idiom? U.K. Over here it’s “Good for you!” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/EwAL7dFEUtw/hqdefault.jpg "Two and a Half men / Fixing Kandi's Car \ Scene") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwAL7dFEUtw) ---
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> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Every grocery store will offer at least one brand that has no added sugar, often labeled “natural”. Most every brand gives you the choice of “smooth” or “chunky” (with bits of unground peanut added back.) Basically the same as in the UK, but I think, from my experience, that US peanut butter brands generally lean sweeter than UK equivalents. Of course, we get multiple brands from all over, so there’s no definitive version of the stuff. ---
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> [@Smid](#): > > So making that over in the UK, PB&J is just a disasters without this information. It sounds like you need US peanut butter, and Jelly preserve to match. That was my next question !! UK PB has salt in and no sugar - and i don’t think that’d go with jam/jelly … ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/78 "2022-07-06T16:29:37Z")
Salt, in small quantities, goes with everything. If you take two identical glasses of sugar water, and add a tiny bit of salt to one of them, the salted one will taste sweeter. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/79 "2022-07-06T16:42:40Z")
Why not? All peanut butter has salt, and the jelly/jam will provide the sweetness. I make PB&J with unsweetened peanut butter and, frankly, I think it goes better, but my tastes tend to run against sweet. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/80 "2022-07-06T17:19:15Z")
If you’ve ever been in a production of _ **Arsenic and Old Lace** _, you know that one of Theodore Roosevelt’s favorite expressions was “Bully!” meaning “Good!” or “Good for you!” **Dr. Einstein:** Alright, Mr. President, we go to Panama. **Teddy Brewster (as “TR”):** Bully, bully! Follow me, General. It’s down south, you know. **Dr. Einstein:** (_Hat falling across his eyes_) Well, Bon voyage! (“Down south” meaning the basement, where the bodies are buried. 🤭) I’d assume the origin of “Bully!” is associated with the strength and power of a bull, just like when referring to the stock market. (“Bullish” vs “Bearish.”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016.md?page=5)