# Cheese and pickle sandwich (British) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [June 28, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016 "2022-06-28T02:50:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/81 "2022-07-06T17:27:50Z")
As noted above, fried strip bacon goes together with peanut butter precisely because it’s both smoky _and_ salty. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/82 "2022-07-06T17:42:47Z")
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**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/83 "2022-07-06T17:58:39Z")
Oh, gawd, there’s nothing better than sweet and salty. I particularly like real\* Kettle Corn. A friend called it the ideal PMS food. - Made in front of you in the actual kettle so you get that hint of steel. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/84 "2022-07-06T18:17:34Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Perhaps they are the same, but the Brits don’t tend to mix sweet and savoury like the americans do (no bacon AND syrup on pancakes, and lots of other examples). Wait a minute… Isn’t Branston pickle (the topic of this thread, after all) a mix of sweet and savory? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/85 "2022-07-06T18:30:55Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > Brits don’t tend to mix sweet and savoury like the americans do (no bacon AND syrup on pancakes, and lots of other examples). Someone with more expertise might be able to comment for me. What _do_ you put on pancakes? 😕 When I lived in Cambridge (1976–77), a Canadian opened a place called “Waffles,” which served (You guessed it!) waffles. IIRC, you had a choice of topping: whipped cream or sliced ham with cheese sauce. If there was any fruit or other sweet topping, I don’t remember it. Personally, I would have killed for a big gob of butter and some maple syrup. (And a side of crispy bacon or breakfast sausage, too.) ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/86 "2022-07-06T18:54:22Z")
Man, nothing better than when the maple syrup gets on the bacon. Yum!!! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/87 "2022-07-06T19:09:01Z")
Wait, I thought you said this place was opened by a Canadian? Isn’t maple syrup on waffles required by Canadian law? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/88 "2022-07-06T19:15:23Z")
In North America. maybe. But apparently not in the UK. 🙂 One thing I liked about IHOP in the US (are they still around?) was their selection of syrups. My favorite was Boysenberry, which can be ordered from Knott’s Berry Farm in California. I was a bit put off by IHOP’s blurb about them sending “all the way to Vermont” for the flavoring of their maple syrup. Hell, why not just serve the real stuff instead of that artificially-flavored crap? Yeccch! 🤢 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/89 "2022-07-06T19:24:39Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > My favorite was Boysenberry, which can be ordered from Knott’s Berry Farm in California. Where it was first commercially grown and sold. The foundation of an icon. > **[Knott's Berry Farm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knott%27s_Berry_Farm)** > > Knott's Berry Farm is a 57-acre (2,500,000 sq ft) theme park located in Buena Park, California, owned and operated by Cedar Fair. In March 2015, it was ranked as the twelfth-most-visited theme park in North America, while averaging approximately 4 million visitors per year. The park features 40 rides, including roller coasters, family rides, dark rides, and water rides. > Walter and Cordelia Knott first settled in Buena Park in 1920. The park began as a roadside berry stand run by Walter Knott alo... ---
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> [@terentii](#): > > What _do_ you put on pancakes? If we have any syrup from our trees (a neighbor makes syrup every few years and gives us a small bottle) I’ll use that, otherwise I use our blueberries (from freezer or freshly picked). Blueberries and a splash of water simmered till reduced. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/91 "2022-07-06T19:38:38Z")
Boysenberries themselves are a hybrid first grown in California: > **[Boysenberry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boysenberry)** > > The boysenberry /ˈbɔɪzənbɛri/ is a cross between the European raspberry (Rubus idaeus), European blackberry (Rubus fruticosus), American dewberry (Rubus aboriginum), and loganberry (Rubus × loganobaccus). > It is a large 8.0-gram (0.28 oz) aggregate fruit, with large seeds and a deep maroon color. > The exact origins of the boysenberry are unclear, but the most definite records trace the plant as it is known today back to grower Rudolph Boysen, who obtained the dewberry–loganberry parent from the... I like fruit or fruit sauces on pancakes myself, but I associate them more with so-called Belgian waffles, which I first had at the New York World’s Fair in 1964. Apparently, they were little or entirely unknown in the US at the time. > **[Belgian waffle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_waffle)** > > Outside of Belgium, Belgian waffles are a variety of waffle with a lighter batter, larger squares, and deeper pockets than American waffles. Belgian waffles were originally leavened with yeast, but baking powder is now often used. They are often eaten as a breakfast food; toppings vary from whipped cream, confectioners sugar, soft fruit, and chocolate spread, to syrup and butter or margarine. They may also be served with vanilla ice cream and fresh fruit (such as strawberries) as a dessert. > In B... I’ve been known to spread jam on pancakes too, but not real often. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/92 "2022-07-06T19:53:50Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I’ve been known to spread jam on pancakes too, but not real often. My mom did, too, called them palacsinta. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/93 "2022-07-06T20:37:28Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > What _do_ you put on pancakes? 😕 Syrup, no bacon. It there is bacon on offer, it’s on another player, well away from the syrup. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/94 "2022-07-06T21:12:37Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > What _do_ you put on pancakes? 😕 Well, in recent times what the US calls pancakes (and what is called waffles) are making it over here in some restaurant places, but they’re not typical at all. What we call pancakes, you would perhaps call crepes, and have lemon juice or sugar, perhaps syrup nowadays. Certainly not bacon. And they’re not typical breakfast food either. And as you probably already know, what we typically call bacon is danish back bacon, nothing like the streaky bacon (cooked to a crisp, usually) which the US normally refers to. So it’s not even a great match if you ate pancakes like in the US, which we don’t, usually. Maybe streaky US style bacon might have caught on if it was normal bacon on pancakes. Waffles had a boom in the 80s, but they were potato waffles, savoury potato lattices, they’re not that big anymore, but I suspect americans don’t have those. In reality while the names of things are shared between these countries, they didn’t have similar supply sources or abundance (and a bunch of tradition came from the second world war limiting a bunch of fresh stuff, the reason why kidney and liver feature in some older foods in the UK). This shows with some brits too, when they visit the US. I mean, for gods sake, some make it a regular thing to seek out a Dennys to eat there, it is a lot different in things like breakfasts traditionally. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/95 "2022-07-06T21:15:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait a minute… Isn’t Branston pickle (the topic of this thread, after all) a mix of sweet and savory? Nope, it’s sweet. It does work with cheddar cheese, but the cheese is the main, the branston the relish/sauce part. So like relish on a burger. I guess sweet and savoury I meant there was breakfast foods. Other normal times, sweet relish on foods are fine. Cheese and pickle sandwiches are more of a lunch food. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/96 "2022-07-06T21:29:17Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > > [@terentii](#): > > > > What _do_ you put on pancakes? 😕 > > Well, in recent times what the US calls pancakes (and what is called waffles) are making it over here in some restaurant places, but they’re not typical at all. What we call pancakes, you would perhaps call crepes, and have lemon juice or sugar, perhaps syrup nowadays. Certainly not bacon. And they’re not typical breakfast food either. > > And as you probably already know, what we typically call bacon is danish back bacon, nothing like the streaky bacon (cooked to a crisp, usually) which the US normally refers to. So it’s not even a great match if you ate pancakes like in the US, which we don’t, usually. Maybe streaky US style bacon might have caught on if it was normal bacon on pancakes. > > Waffles had a boom in the 80s, but they were potato waffles, savoury potato lattices, they’re not that big anymore, but I suspect americans don’t have those. > > In reality while the names of things are shared between these countries, they didn’t have similar supply sources or abundance (and a bunch of tradition came from the second world war limiting a bunch of fresh stuff, the reason why kidney and liver feature in some older foods in the UK). > > This shows with some brits too, when they visit the US. I mean, for gods sake, some make it a regular thing to seek out a Dennys to eat there, it is a lot different in things like breakfasts traditionally. Right, pancakes and crepes are two different animals: > **[Pancake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancake)** > > A pancake (or hotcake, griddlecake, or flapjack) is a flat cake, often thin and round, prepared from a starch-based batter that may contain eggs, milk and butter and cooked on a hot surface such as a griddle or frying pan, often frying with oil or butter. It is a type of batter bread. Archaeological evidence suggests that pancakes were probably eaten in prehistoric societies. > The pancake's shape and structure varies worldwide. In the United Kingdom, pancakes are often unleavened and resemble ... > **[Crêpe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%AApe)** > > A crêpe or crepe (/kreɪp/ ⓘ or /krɛp/, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}French: \[kʁɛp\] ⓘ, Quebec French: \[kʁaɪ̯p\] ⓘ) is a very thin type of pancake. Crêpes are usually one of two varieties: sweet crêpes (crêpes sucrées) or savoury galettes (crêpes salées). They are often served with a wide variety of fillings such as cheese, fruit,... I remember the episode of _ **The Prisoner** _ with “Flapjack Charlie,” in which they serve Number Six “flapjacks” (another word for pancakes in the US) that were clearly crepes. At IHOP (International House of Pancakes, a popular chain of restaurants) they’re called “German pancakes” and are served with powdered sugar and lemon (or at least they were the last time I looked). I think there was a post on this site that told of two Brits ordering “biscuits with sausage gravy” at Denny’s and were completely unprepared for what they were served: > **[Biscuits and gravy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuits_and_gravy)** > > Biscuits and gravy is a popular breakfast dish in the United States, especially in the South. The dish consists of soft dough biscuits covered in white gravy (sawmill gravy), made from the drippings of cooked pork sausage, flour, milk, and often (but not always) bits of sausage, bacon, ground beef, or other meat. The gravy is often flavored with black pepper. > A variation of the dish served in the US military is sometimes referred to as "SOS" which means "shit on a shingle", and is prepared wit... I’ve never seen pancakes _topped_ with (or containing) bacon, but I suppose it’s possible. (Bacon is usually served on the side.) I’ve never seen potato waffles either. Potato pancakes I know very well though. I’ve always eaten them with sour cream and apple sauce, though I once knew a guy who had them with maple syrup—not very appealing from my point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/97 "2022-07-06T21:34:26Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I remember the episode of _ **The Prisoner** _ with “Flapjack Charlie,” in which they serve Number Six “flapjacks” I’m not really sure what is officially flapjacks in the UK, I don’t eat them, and perhaps they could be some people who call shallow fried/griddled mix flapjacks somewhere. But what I know as flapjacks are oat and raison and syrup rectangular bars, which it appears what you’ll see for a [recipe](https://www.daringgourmet.com/british-flapjacks/) for them, but I always thought that was a more recent meaning for them, and perhaps not what was meant from the Prisoner. [These](https://www.easycheesyvegetarian.com/traditional-british-pancakes/) are traditional british pancakes, and I’ll sometimes see places also sell them as crepes in the UK. I don’t think they look very similar to the ones up there. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016/98 "2022-07-06T21:39:43Z")
I think “flapjacks” is a regional term in the US. I usually associate it with the American West, probably from watching too many John Wayne movies. Griddle cakes is another term that’s used, but they all mean the same thing, so far as I know: pancakes. I’m not aware of any distinction between them. Doughnuts, BTW, started out as “oily cakes” among the Dutch in North America (and in their own country too, I imagine). ---
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I think that “flapjack” comes from the method of flipping them, where you pick up the frying pan by the handle and give it a flick of the wrist to flip over the cakes within, without use of a spatula or other utensil (it’s easier than it looks). But yeah, there are a lot of regional slang terms for pancakes in the US. ---
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> [@terentii](#): > > I’ve never seen pancakes _topped_ with (or containing) bacon, but I suppose it’s possible. (Bacon is usually served on the side.) This food cart > **[Mr. Bing brings Chinese street food to Times Square – Metro US](https://web.archive.org/web/20220320061804/https://www.metro.us/mr-bing-brings-chinese-street-food-to-times-square/)** > > The Chinese crepe jian bing is found in street carts all over Beijing, where Brian Goldberg had one every morning while studying abroad. With Mr. Bing, he's brought them back home with him. apparently offers crepes with ingredients like bacon-and-cheese and Peking duck, so evidence that somebody decided to try bacon pancakes. Though things like ham and cheese galettes are pretty standard in Paris. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheese-and-pickle-sandwich-british/967016.md?page=6)