# Cheney, Dick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214 "2009-05-21T18:29:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/61 "2009-05-22T01:39:33Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Non-positive reaction formation” = the world, recoiling in horror Point of order: I’m not horrified, I’m disgusted. And amazed that Cheney’s tongue didn’t jump out his mouth in shame around 2004. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/62 "2009-05-22T02:34:05Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Speaking of Cheney, his [poll numbers are rising](http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/21/cheney.poll/), although he still has a long way to go. Cheney in 2012! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/63 "2009-05-22T02:36:30Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Cheney in 2012! Is this for the election or the Death Pool? ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/64 "2009-05-22T02:38:09Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Is this for the election or the Death Pool? Can’t it be both, like the late Earl Warren? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/65 "2009-05-22T03:22:20Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > What is the saddest thing about Cheney is that, I think, he is so paranoid about the rest of the world and so afraid of change that he really believes the bullshit he spouts is the best thing for America (and to him that’s all that matters) even when he knows it is false. He really does love America; but that loyalty would be to wherever he was born and whatever political system he was born into. Freedom is not important to him. Keeping things exactly the same as it was when he was a kid, or the romantic notion of how it was in the generation before is the most important. It has to be preserved at home NO MATTER WHAT. So, to cut to the chase, you mean he’s fucking crazy? Yeah, I could go along with that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/66 "2009-05-22T04:49:04Z")
[http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3237981](http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3237981) A succinct run-down of the misinformation in Cheney’s speech. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/67 "2009-05-22T05:36:32Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Cheney in 2012! I’m starting to believe that this is his goal. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/68 "2009-05-22T05:54:59Z")
Who’s Dick Cheney? Was he on the teevee or something? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/69 "2009-05-22T06:18:19Z")
Dick Cheney’s fast becoming my favorite Republican. I want him to keep on speechifying himself right into the history books. Not the kind of history books vice presidents usually find themselves in though. This gem [from yesterday](http://enduringamerica.com/2009/05/21/text-dick-cheney-speech-on-national-security-21-may/) was plucked out on another message board. Read carefully to see what Cheney’s actually saying here. [QUOTE=Cheney, Dick] “Nine-eleven caused everyone to _ **take a serious second look at threats that had been gathering for a while** _, and enemies whose plans were getting bolder and more sophisticated.” [/QUOTE] Oh, so Mr. Cheney, you’re saying that Richard Clarke and the Clinton administration’s warnings were…received? And…ignored? And…but, wait…I thought “there was no way we could have known” 9/11 was going to happen. Did Cheney, Dick, just call George W. Bush a liar, and admit that they had warnings (others besides the “Bin Laden determined to strike in the US” memo) that were not taken seriously? HellfreakinO?? If this were a Democrat saying this, as if, say, Gore had taken his rightful place as president and 9/11 had happened on his watch, how much airplay do you all think this would get? But because it’s Cheney, it’s going to disappear into the ether, forgotten. I hope someone’s keeping track of all the things he’s saying. I’d love to hear this stuff replayed in a courtroom setting. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/70 "2009-05-22T06:26:09Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > You Cheney’d up the country worse than the 9/11 gang by making us _more_ of a target… > [@Captain Carrot](#): > > Cheney’s ideas and policies have made us less safe, not Obama’s. Perhaps this would be a good time to point out that despite urgent desires on the part of terrorists around the world, no matter what we’ve done or haven’t done, to attack the American devil, there have been NO SUCCESSFUL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER on the American mainland since 9/11. Good job, Mr. Bush! Good job, Mr. Cheney! Thank you! And thank you for keeping even those dolts who criticized your every move safe as well. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/71 "2009-05-22T06:30:28Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps this would be a good time to point out that despite urgent desires on the part of terrorists around the world, no matter what we’ve done or haven’t done, to attack the American devil, there have been NO SUCCESSFUL ATTACKS You forgot to point out NO MARTIAN INVASIONS either!! Tray Cheney is a MIRACLE WORKER (whoever he is … wasn’t he on that show _Wires_?) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/72 "2009-05-22T06:32:22Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > You forgot to point out NO MARTIAN INVASIONS either!! That would be because no Martians killed 2,000 of our citizens, dear, nor have they been struggling in caves and jungle outposts worldwide to murder more of us. But thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/73 "2009-05-22T06:43:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That would be because no Martians killed 2,000 of our citizens, dear, nor have they been struggling in caves and jungle outposts worldwide to murder more of us. > > But thanks for playing. It happens to be a fact that while Tray Cheney was on teevee, no Americans died of Martian attacks. But I guess that’s not “good enough” for you and you need Americans to die before you’ll recognize his contributions. It just makes me sad when I see people who hate America and her teevee shows. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/74 "2009-05-22T07:11:19Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > It happens to be a fact that while Tray Cheney was on teevee, no Americans died of Martian attacks. But I guess that’s not “good enough” for you and you need Americans to die before you’ll recognize his contributions. Why, certainly! There just couldn’t be enough Americans dying (nor brown people, can’t forget them) to suit my taste. :rolleyes: > [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > It just makes me sad when I see people who hate America and her teevee shows. ☹ Her TV makes me sad too. 😃 Hmm…I wonder what would be the reaction if I were to say that my opponents around here hate America? A much different one than you’ll get, I’d wager. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/75 "2009-05-22T07:53:50Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps this would be a good time to point out that despite urgent desires on the part of terrorists around the world, no matter what we’ve done or haven’t done, to attack the American devil, there have been NO SUCCESSFUL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER on the American mainland since 9/11. Ever heard of a little thing called ANTHRAX? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/76 "2009-05-22T08:03:25Z")
That’s what I love about this place. There’s always someone willing to grasp at straws. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/77 "2009-05-22T08:33:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps this would be a good time to point out that despite urgent desires on the part of terrorists around the world, no matter what we’ve done or haven’t done, to attack the American devil, there have been NO SUCCESSFUL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER on the American mainland since 9/11. Unfortunately, you can’t conveniently leave out 9/11. That did happen during the Bush/Cheney presidency. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/78 "2009-05-22T10:02:08Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I thought we fired his ass- why the he’ll is he still getting airtime? Fired? An odd expression to use of someone who filled out his two full terms of office and did not stand for re-election. Still, if it makes you feel better to think he was kicked out go right ahead. What does the truth matter? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/79 "2009-05-22T10:20:13Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Unfortunately, you can’t conveniently leave out 9/11. That did happen during the Bush/Cheney presidency. Seconded. Their term did not start in 2002. 9/11 happened on their watch. More to the point, it’s questionable that any of the tactics that are being debated (torture and gitmo) have done anything to make us safer. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/80 "2009-05-22T11:38:39Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Unfortunately, you can’t conveniently leave out 9/11. That did happen during the Bush/Cheney presidency. Well, yeah, but apart from that, they did a bang up job keeping everyone safe from terrorist attacks. In America. After the anthrax thing. In conclusion, setting aside the worst terrorist attack against America in history, they were really good at protecting us all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214.md?page=5)