# Cheney, Dick **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214 "2009-05-21T18:29:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/101 "2009-05-22T15:52:48Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Cheney has rocked for a long, long time, > Now it’s time for him to pass the torch. > He has songs of wildebeests and Gitmo, > He has soared on the wings of Al Qaeda. > > It’s time to pass the torch, > You’re too old to rock, no more rockin’ for you! > We’re takin’ you to a home, > But we will sing a song about you. > > And we will make sure that you’re very well taken care of. > You’ll tell us secrets that you’ve learned. Raow! > Your sauce will mix with ours, > And we’ll make a good goulash baby. > Cheney, time to go! > You must give your cape and scepter to Barry. > And a smaller one for JB. > Go! Go! Cheney! Cheney! I’ll give **Gibbler** here the nod of the head she richly deserves. God bless Dio. ---
**Author:** ![Birdmonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/71e660/32.png) [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/102 "2009-05-22T15:57:32Z")
Also, this whole “there were no attacks after 9/11 so you know Bush/Cheney were onto something” recalls a conversation Homer & Lisa had a few years back: * * * Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol is working like a charm! Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, dad. Homer (confused): Thank you. Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away. Homer: Hmm. How does it work? Lisa: It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock… Homer: Uh-huh Lisa: …but I don’t see any tigers around, do you? Homer: Lisa. I want to buy your rock. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/103 "2009-05-22T16:19:22Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I don’t think their being in office caused attacks to stop at all. They are claiming credit for something that they really had no effect on. Well, obviously. Cheney has to claim credit for that in order to justify the Bush Administrations actions. If he stood up there, and said , “Yeah, we kept people locked up indefinately and and tortured them, but it didn’t really benefit the country any. Certainly didn’t make us more safe.”, that’s probably one of the worst justifications ever. > [@](#): > > By the way, where is the Evil Genius, Bin laden? - directing this question to everyone/anyone. Never found him, did we? I wonder why. Maybe he wasn’t supposed to get caught. Maybe it was more politically useful to have a boogie man handy. I think you’re underestimating the difficulty of finding somebody in a large anarchic region who doesn’t want to be found. I think that’s more likely than assuming an Evil Plan. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/104 "2009-05-22T16:21:14Z")
The whole point though is not that there have been no attacks, but what had to be sacrificed for that result. I mean we could insist that everyone have a tracking device implanted on them and that we must report in to our regional officer every day so the governement knows exactly where we are and what we are doing. That would probably make us very safe, too. ---
**Author:** ![grayhairedmomma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/47e85d/32.png) [@grayhairedmomma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grayhairedmomma)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/105 "2009-05-22T16:28:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps this would be a good time to point out that despite urgent desires on the part of terrorists around the world, no matter what we’ve done or haven’t done, to attack the American devil, there have been NO SUCCESSFUL ATTACKS WHATSOEVER on the American mainland since 9/11. > > Good job, Mr. Bush! Good job, Mr. Cheney! > > Thank you! > > And thank you for keeping even those dolts who criticized your every move safe as well. 😉 What about the snipers terrorizing the DC area - and killing 11 random people - in October 2002? Or do domestic terrorists not count? [Beltway Sniper Attacks](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks) ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/106 "2009-05-22T16:45:59Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Well, obviously. Cheney has to claim credit for that in order to justify the Bush Administrations actions. If he stood up there, and said , “Yeah, we kept people locked up indefinately and and tortured them, but it didn’t really benefit the country any. Certainly didn’t make us more safe.”, that’s probably one of the worst justifications ever. > > n. sometimes thetruth hurts. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/107 "2009-05-22T16:47:37Z")
It always hurts _somebody_, but usually it isn’t me. I’m\* totally\* cool with that. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/108 "2009-05-22T16:56:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It always hurts _somebody_, but usually it isn’t me. I’m\* totally\* cool with that. When did you become Republican? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/109 "2009-05-22T17:07:05Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Cheney has to claim credit for that in order to justify the Bush Administrations actions. He doesn’t \*have \*to do that; he could just shut up. He and George keep saying, “oh the future will regard our administration heroically.” So I say … shut the fuck up and let history get to work. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/110 "2009-05-22T17:38:57Z")
You people seriously need to get a grip. It’s nonsense to praise past politicians for preventing attacks that had no precedent. Further, one can hardly blame Bush for not taking the Clinton’s warnings seriously when Clinton never acted on them himself. And then, once that precedent had occurred, President Bush made sure it didn’t happen again. So once again I say: Good job, Mr. Bush! Good job, Mr. Cheney! Thank you! > [@grayhairedmomma](#): > > What about the snipers terrorizing the DC area - and killing 11 random people - in October 2002? Or do domestic terrorists not count? Wacked-out thrill killers do not count as domestic terrorists, in my opinion. Timothy McVeigh and the Murrah Building bombing does count as domestic terrorism, however, and if you want to play that kind of game I’ll point out that Bill Clinton was president at the time. And I’d be willing to bet you never gave a thought to blaming him in the same way that you’re so quick to blame Bush for not stopping a couple of nut jobs who were shooting people from inside a car. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/111 "2009-05-22T17:41:52Z")
So Peter Kirsanow over at the National Review Online has this absolute gem in a brief snippet on the Cheney speech titled Cheney: Adult: > [@](#): > > It would be interesting to see the results of a more finely calibrated poll, one that compares how well-respected, competent, and effective the subject is perceived to be relative to similarly situated individuals. As a friend succinctly puts it, “When that big asteroid finally heads toward Earth, who’s the person you’d most want to be in charge?” I suspect Cheney would score at or near the top. > > Conservatives can only speculate about the state of affairs had we seen more of this type of detailed, sober defense during President Bush’s tenure. Now I wish to make three points about this line of argument… #1) Seriosuly? #2) Really? #3) WTF?!?! The argument, if I understand correctly, and I might not, becuase seriously WTF!!! As I understand it, oh hell, I don’t understand what the hell hsi point is. but I do not it is FRIGGIN’ Idiotic!! Andc also, in the event of a catastrophic asteroid coming toward earth, why would I choose someone who has about as much empathy for his fellow man as a Burmese Python has for a small rodent. What is he going to do, Water board the asteroid?? Hide in his private bunker?? and… Why the hell am I even talking about this like it makes any sense or adds in any way to the debate??? What’s next on the “KEEP AMERICA SAFE” Tour: Vampires? Nazi Zombies? Giant Insects? Alien Invaders? Evolved sentient apes? Ghosts? Godzilla? BTW, did you notice that we had zero attacks from all these threats, including giant asteroids(!), during Bush’s administration. What you say about that all you Jerkface lefties!! Huh!? Go no answer for that, do ya! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/112 "2009-05-22T17:44:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You people seriously need to get a grip. It’s nonsense to praise past politicians for preventing attacks that had no precedent. Further, one can hardly blame Bush for not taking the Clinton’s warnings seriously when Clinton never acted on them himself. What the fuck are you talking about? > [@Starving Artist](#): > > And then, once that precedent had occurred, President Bush made sure it didn’t happen again. And 9/11 still happened on his goddamned watch. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/113 "2009-05-22T17:44:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Timothy McVeigh and the Murrah Building bombing does count as domestic terrorism, however, and if you want to play that kind of game I’ll point out that Bill Clinton was president at the time. And was the memo entitled “Timothy McVeigh Determined To Strike The Alfred P. Murrah Building”? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/114 "2009-05-22T17:45:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > = > Timothy McVeigh and the Murrah Building bombing does count as domestic terrorism, however, and if you want to play that kind of game I’ll point out that Bill Clinton was president at the time. Why, what is your criteria? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/115 "2009-05-22T17:54:09Z")
My criteria? Well, the bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 and Bill Clinton was president at that time. Anthing else? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/116 "2009-05-22T17:56:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My criteria? Well, the bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 and Bill Clinton was president at that time. > > Anthing else? What is your crieteria that it is domestic terrorism while the snipers are not? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/117 "2009-05-22T18:00:13Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > My criteria? Well, the bombing occurred on April 19, 1995 and Bill Clinton was president at that time. > > Anthing else? And HE got caught and arrested,without having to torture anyone or pack them overseas for “rendition”. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/118 "2009-05-22T18:00:24Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Care to elaborate? How the relationship to counter-terrorism changed with 9/11 and how they were moving into uncharted territory operating with a new set of distinctions. How the ‘after-the-fact’ law enforcement methods fell short in prior administrations, and so they went to a system of pre-emption. It represented a radical shift in policy. I also whole-heartedly agree with him that going after the previous administration for political decisions that are disagreed upon sets a dangerous precedent and would mean that every Presidential administration from here on out would be subject to trials every time the dominant party shifted. It would be a horrible catastrophe for the nation. I disagree with his idea that the ends totally justified the means but I do understand his rationale, I disagree with it on moral grounds, but not to the point where I irrationally hate him and am filled with disgust every time I see him on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/119 "2009-05-22T18:02:33Z")
On behalf of the four thousand plus dead soldiers, dying in a war utterly unnecessary to prevent further attacks, absolutely responsible for easing and veritably abandoning the pursuit of the perpetrators of 9/11 (and for allowing them to get closer to a nuclear Pakistan), and fully accountable for an increase in recruitment of those who would harm American interests (who would otherwise not have joined): thank you Mr. Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214/120 "2009-05-22T18:03:00Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > BTW, did you notice that we had zero attacks from all these threats, including giant asteroids(!), during Bush’s administration. What you say about that all you Jerkface lefties!! Huh!? Go no answer for that, do ya! Conservatives are so beyond you liberal elites and your “facts.” So, pinko, it looks you have a nice little poll there that shows the public has high unfavorability ratings for one Dick Cheney. Well, la-di-fucking-da, motherfucker. What if _I_ imagine a different poll, in preposterous circumstances, and I further imagine that Dick Cheney wins “Sexiest Man Alive” in this poll! What do you have to say to THAT, you Jacobin!!! HMMMMM??? I find this line of argumentation leaves your typical lib absolutely speechless (well, occasionally they mutter something that sounds like “whatever, deranged retard”). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-dick/497214.md?page=7)