But correlation is not causation. It is only causation when other countries (e.g, Libya) do good things! When they do bad things, they would have done it whether we had invaded Iraq or not. 
Hardly surprising that the US govt. should bring this kind of rhetoric… after all the notion of democracy for americans is upside down.
The Spanish people democratically take down a US stooge and liar: Bad
Russia re-elects hard core Putin in an election with no competition: Good
Other examples:
Turkish Congress stops US division from using their territory: Bad
Venezuelan President taken down in a coup: Good
Supreme Courts rules who is the President: Good
Iran is sure a mess... but outlaw ? Nope.Do you mean you think Richrd Perle should go to jail for his **fundraising efforts on behalf of Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK)
**? You know, the international terrorist organization tha Hussein really did sponsor and suport.
Somehow, despite reports of the connection between the charity event and the MEK nearly a week before the event, Richard Perle, recent chairman of the Bush Admin’s Defense Policy Board, claimed that he had plausible deniability as to when he acquired his knowledge that he was raising funds for a terrorist organization this past January.
It’s clear sign that he’s ont with us. Ergo, he’s against us.
Of course it’s a matter of public record that he passed classified national security information to agents of a foreign government.
He’s just the kind of guy the Bush Admin still trusts to give advice about national security.
Pretty, fucking, piss-poor judgement if you ask me, to take advice from someone who gives away our national secrets to foreign governments and wh supports the same terrorists Saddam Hussein did.
I am truly saddened that this is acceptable instaed of enraging and outrageous to too many of my fellow Americans.
If this is what you mean, then I agree
Well, you can make the argument that that is exactly what is happening - the people in Iran have been demonstrating, striking, and in general pushing for greater freedom. The hardliner crackdown is the inevitable result. It remains to be seen how this will shake out yet.
There have also been demonstrations and demands for Democracy in Syria. Quite significant ones.
Check your timeline again, slick.
Hint: Was Desert Storm going on during the election?
I have yet to see the link, but it seems like bucolic posturing in an effort to draw contrast to Kerry and keep people in the “US against the world”/ democracy by the sword mentality.
Now is not the most auspicous time to attack, but they will gain from this sort control of the issues. It will also lay the groundwork for a war during the mid-term elections.
Something tells me that if Orwell had forseen the modern prevalence for terrorism, he might have proposed it as a means of extending war indefinitely.
I will respond to this statement with one simple question
Why are we over there in the Middle east and what do their affairs have to do with us?
Now, I’ll grant you that fact that we are in Afganistan because we are after Bin Ladin and his followers…A regime that has viciously proven themselves to be a direct threat to the American people at large. This I support strongly, but why are we in Iraq and what do their affairs have to do with us? They appear to be grown people with the ability to handle their own affairs without either needing or asking our military to jump in telling them what we think is best for them
Today marks our first anniversary over there, and so far I’m hearing about more protest being planned than parades (worldwide). … lets see what happens with this shall we.
Now, as far as this Nazism thing is concerned. Before you type one keystroke, I want you to explain to me why just about every conflict we’ve been involved in since the end of WWII were all against non-white nations, especially during the Reagan Administration. As a matter of fact, If memory serves me correctly, back around 1985, Members of the Origional German SS had a reunion in Bittsburg Germany and Mr Reagan took it upon himself to attend it as their “guest of Honor”, went to an SS graveyard and laid reeves on the tombstones of several SS men that died in battle, then afterwards attended a banquet and offered his condolenses to them. (I know this because I was stationed in Frankfort at the time and we caught sheer hell from almost every anti-american organization in europe for it). Throghout this era (and beyond) I believe that our gvernment
- Sent Combat troops to Lebanon
- Bombed Syria
- Bombed Lybia
- Bombed Pakistan
- Bombed Afganistan (several times)
- Invaded Grenada
- Bombed Iraq
*Threatened to bomb Iran (several times) - Invaded (I believe it was columbia) and jailed Manuel Norewaga
- Sent a marine invasion force to Liberia
- Sent our Navy off the Coast of South Africa IN SUPPORT of Mr Botha and his government of Aparthied (which we “again” were internationally condemned
for
and many more nations whose identity slips my mind at the moment
Now tell me my friend, what do all these countries have in common with each other? I’ll let YOU answer this yourself
After sending six years of my life in the Military, It really drives me nuts that everytime CNN NEWS shows out heroic servicemen in action, they overwhelmingly focus on the just the caucasion ones (like they’re the only ones fighting) when just about everyone that has ever served in there will tell you that almost everyone in combat arms are either black or some other minority. The Army at the same time will actually teach new caucasion recruits to hate other races. Just ask anyone who’ve served…Now tell me,why is this? (Explain)
Now, to everyone else, I’m not trying to come across as a bigot or some self righteous nut, and if this post offends some of you I apologise for it. I just want to know that if our Govt is not on a crusade to create some NEW WORLD ORDER based on white supremacy or some modified version of Nazism as I previously stated, why are he majority of our nations enemies non-caucasions? Give me a legetimate answer… and I’ll shut up.
Disclaimer: I have repeatedly stated that I think the Iraq war was unjustified and stupid, that Bush and his cabal are full of it, and I pretty much convinced that Bush is the worst president since Hoover.
But Cheney is right: Iran is an outlaw regime. As much as I have hoped that Iran can reform itself, the Prince of Darkness is right in calling a spade a spade.
Let us look at the facts. Democracy has basically been quashed. Iran is under heavy suspicion by the UN for building a nuclear weapons program in violation of its commitments to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty. Iran was listed by the State Department as “the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2002,” supporting funding, arming, training, and safe haven for Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the PFLP-CG. Iran continues to work with North Korea, buying military technology to support that horrible regime.
Iran is deserving of condemnation by the UN Human Rights Commission – which I am hopeful will happen this summer – and the IAEA is taking very seriously the evidence that Iran has a nuclear program.
Thankfully, the Administration has so far pursued the course of negotiation and tough diplomacy with Iran, as would have been the correct course to take with Iraq. But you can’t have tough diplomacy without talking tough. If Cheney were to say nothing and smile when the subject of Iran came up would be ignoring the terrible truth.
I can’t help but think that the hand-wringing over that comment is mindless Bush-bashing, seeing as how Clinton labeled Iran (and six other countries) as being “rogue states.” Was Clinton, Berger, and Albright’s term too over the top? Or is someone claiming that Iran has gotten better since 2000?
Further, talk of invading Iran is simply silly at this point. The cold, hard fact is that the United States doesn’t have enough troops at this point to launch a major invasion of anyone until our presence in Iraq is at least halved. Our military, as able as it is, simply isn’t big enough to maintain a huge occupation force in Iraq, commitments to Korea and Okinawa, and a forward-deployed presence in so many other parts of the world.
(There is the capability of another Afghanistan kind of war that involves very few troops, but you’ve got to be an idjit if you think we’re going to topple Iran with 3,000 to 10,000 troops).
Wait…
Yugoslavia wasn’t Caucasian?
Oil, many will get their knickers in a bunch, but it really boils down to that; the world needs oil and no-one seems so determined to secure it than the USA.
As for the rest of your post; I smell a pinch of recentment there; I don´t think it would be productive to debate those points with you.
Did Clinton’s bombings of Bosnia and the air war over Kosovo not kill enough white people for you? :rolleyes:
Hold on a second…
Browses through the script pages
Wasn´t Karl Rove the Prince of Darkness? 
Nope, Richard Perle is the Prince of Darkness.
He picked up the name for his opposition to nuclear arms control during the Reagan administration.
Remember, that’s Richard Perle, Prince of Darkness.
Accept No substitutes.
If it doesn’t say Richard Perle, It’s NOT the Prince of Darkness.
Note Ravenman, that as I stated earlier in my earlier statement…almost every nation…almost (not every) 
Your administration considered Iraq a strategic threat and opportunistically used “terrorism” and various lies to hoodwink the populace into invading. With any luck the Iraqis will manage to hold it together and hustle you out the door thanking you for dropping bye.
You’re actually serious? Well 500 years ago Western Europe expanded and …no there is no time, let me sum up. The so called white countries (ick) tend to be democratic and economically integrated. Attacking ideologically aligned states during a period of mild uncertainty (you may have heard of the Cold War?) likely seemed like a bad idea. Given the opposite side had all sorts of nasty things that go Boom!, proxy wars were held in the non communist, non democratic sphere. This primarily meant Africa, South America and South East Asia.
The Middle East being a source of high quality crude oil made it a place where the opposing sides were bound to interfere. It’s an accident of geology which placed billions of barrels of oil in “non white” areas. (Can I just say ick again?)
If nothing else it looks like the US tends to pummel economically disadvantaged nations. Note the lack of bombs falling on Delhi or Singapore.
Oh and the Russians are white, so I suppose they don’t count?
Your army is (Shock! Horror!) full of assholes pulled from a country still dealing with 200 years of minority oppression?
I’m reeling that you’ve yet to bring the Jews into this.
Fair enough, but this could all be swept under the rug if they were only our ally or at least an important trade partner like China. Washington doesn’t seem to be making a fuss about the lack of democracy in Pakistan.
I would have taken Clinton to task for it too, and he was taken to task by Chomsky IIRC. The most notable difference between the two is that Bush doesn’t seem to mind actually going to war.
Not if it can help influence an election simply by remaining talk.
Not recentment…just a lack of understanding…thats all
Of course Desert Storm was a hot war, but it was over long before election day, which gave the voters the leisure to concentrate on the state of the economy.
Exactly. It’s amazing how the partisans on this board can line up to defend or trash an OP w/o a link.
It’s camapaign sesaon, boys and girls. If your going to get yourself worked up into a dander everytime one of these guys does some posturing (or is alleged to have done so), it’s going to be a rough 8 months…
No, the Iranian forces would be divided in three directions. Don’t forget that the United States Navy controls, or easily can control, the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, and could land troops at any point along Iran’s southern coast at any time.