# Cheney: Never met Edwards before tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 6, 2004, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813 "2004-10-06T05:36:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/41 "2004-10-06T16:47:18Z")
Dick Cheney has cast at least two tie breaking votes. The votes were 50-50, obviously during the time that Edwards was in the Senate, meaning that Edwards was there to cast a vote. [Here’s one.](http://www.evote.com/index.asp?Page=/news_section/2001-04/04042001Cheney.asp). [Here’s another](http://www.evote.com/index.asp?Page=/news_section/2003-05/05232003cheney.asp) During the debate on the latter, Edwards is quoted as saying: > [@](#): > > “I would give the president an A for creative marketing, and an F for responsible leadership,” said Senator John Edwards (D-NC), “Spending wildly on tax cuts and then passing the tab on to our children is no way to get our economy moving again. This reckless plan forces Congress to raise the national debt limit by nearly $1 trillion.” So, if Cheney did not choose to meet Edwards, it isn’t because Edwards wasn’t there. Cheney is simply a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/42 "2004-10-06T16:49:03Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Again, how was he to know he wasn’t sure unless he remembered? Do you avoid mention of all the things you’ve forgotten? No, but if my never having met a person before would seriously impugn their character, and if I wasn’t sure that I’d never met them before, **I wouldn’t fucking bring it up**. Are you stupid, or just partisan? And the multiple smiley thing is easy (assuming your question is genuine and you’re not just being snide 😛 ). [/QUOTE] Jesus Christ. Sometimes I despair for humanity. Thanks for the lesson, though! Daniel ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/43 "2004-10-06T16:51:53Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Are you stupid, or just partisan? Um. . . ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/44 "2004-10-06T16:52:12Z")
The [DNC has a video](http://www.democrats.org/) of the prayer breakfast in the ‘Cheney vs. Reality’ spot. Amazing how quickly they put this together. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/45 "2004-10-06T16:53:09Z")
Now that I think about it, there must be a record of how many times Cheney has appeared at the Senate during a session (and not counting times that he attends Republican strategy sessions). There should also be a record of whether Edwards was also there at those times. I would like to see these numbers, if anyone knows how to access them. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/46 "2004-10-06T16:53:34Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > Oh, just settle your cheap self down, Slick. Howzabout you actually **read** the rest of my post? Y’know, the part where I say that too much is being made of Cheney’s statement? Go on ahead, read. . .then come back here. > > Now, what you need to do is blow the above right outta your ass, nimrod. My, my, my…we do get into a snit, don’t we? I did read the rest of your post, and as it didn’t pertain to the point I wanted to make, I omitted it in order to address the part I did want challenge. Secondly, your multiple references to my use of “you people” indicates that you should have been aware I was addressing my remarks to all the people in this thread who are so eagerly painting Cheney with the “liar” brush and not just you, however you appear to think my comments are aimed just at you. This would seem to indicate you suffer from a persecution complex. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/47 "2004-10-06T16:54:04Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > Um. . . That’s one of those inclusive "or"s. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/48 "2004-10-06T17:02:05Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > Now, what you need to do is blow the above right outta your ass, **nimrod**. > [@](#): > > nimrod > > firm, a descendant of Cush, the son of Ham. He was the first who claimed to be a > “mighty one in the earth.” Babel was the beginning of his kingdom, which he > gradually enlarged (Gen. 10:8-10). The “land of Nimrod” (Micah 5:6) is a > designation of Assyria or of Shinar, which is a part of it. > > Source: Easton’s 1897 Bible Dictionary Unless Mr. Nimrod went on to becomes serial killer or a Republican and we didn’t hear about it, I don’t think SA deserves this title. It’s too good for him. - Brought to you by “Take Back The Word Nimrod” coalition ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/49 "2004-10-06T17:02:53Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Refuting it would have involved him dragging stuff out of his memory, and listing the times he remembered on the spot. Well, isn’t his failure to do that what is causing Cheney to be branded a “liar” here? Why is it okay for Edwards and not for Cheney? And if Edwards has such a keen lawyerly mind for what’s important, why didn’t he pick up on the fact that this issue seems to be the most important bone of contention out of the entire debate? He could have made Cheney look like a complete dolt had he brought up these previous meetings. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/50 "2004-10-06T17:04:59Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Well, isn’t his failure to do that what is causing Cheney to be branded a “liar” here? Why is it okay for Edwards and not for Cheney? Well, at least you answered my question. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/51 "2004-10-06T17:07:46Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Nothing like. Leaving an automobile unlocked is a careless mistake that allows a crime to occur. Having a soundbite for a debate, one obviously prepared ahead of time, be false due to poor preparation is negligence, and in no way causes the poor attendance record. Terrible analogy. Only in the context in which you’ve chosen to view it. The point is, Edwards’ poor Senate performance is much, much more important than the issue of whether or not Cheney had met him previously at some relatively insignificant event, just like the theft of a car is much more important than whether or not the car should have been left unlocked. It’s a matter of gravitas. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/52 "2004-10-06T17:08:48Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > My, my, my…we do get into a snit, don’t we? Dunno if you do or not. Enlighten me. > [@](#): > > I did read the rest of your post, and as it didn’t pertain to the point I wanted to make, I omitted it in order to address the part I did want challenge. Well, see, the reason for this is that the point you wanted to make had nary a fucking thing to do with the point that **I** was making. Now, once again, read the damned thing before you get your knickers in a twist about things that have no bearing on what I’ve posted. Unless, that is, you’re incapable. Wouldn’t surprise me, you understand, since you’ve shown and demonstrated that you’re incapable of simple reading comprehension, but still. > [@Starving Artist](#): > > Secondly, your multiple references to my use of “you people” indicates that you should have been aware I was addressing my remarks to all the people in this thread who are so eagerly painting Cheney with the “liar” brush and not just you, however you appear to think my comments are aimed just at you. So you’re also incapable of recognizing the futility of painting with a broad brush. Damn! I’m learning so very much today. And you are invited to cram your smilies up your ass. Damned things have taken over, and the world’s in worse shape for it. Makes me wish for the subtlety of communicating that was in favor when I was a lad. Namely throwing dirt clods at your opponents. And **Left Hand of Dorkness** : Thanks, I was a mite confused. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/53 "2004-10-06T17:08:51Z")
Personally, I’m MUCH more amus…concerned about Cheney’s [http://www.factcheck.com](http://www.factcheck.com) ligh. (still laughing) ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/54 "2004-10-06T17:10:31Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > And if Edwards has such a keen lawyerly mind for what’s important, why didn’t he pick up on the fact that this issue seems to be the most important bone of contention out of the entire debate? He could have made Cheney look like a complete dolt had he brought up these previous meetings. Perhaps because for most people it wasn’t the most important part of the debate. Whether Cheney has met Edwards is not quite as important as why the US invaded Iraq, is it? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/55 "2004-10-06T17:12:07Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Well, isn’t his failure to do that what is causing Cheney to be branded a “liar” here? Why is it okay for Edwards and not for Cheney? > > And if Edwards has such a keen lawyerly mind for what’s important, why didn’t he pick up on the fact that this issue seems to be the most important bone of contention out of the entire debate? He could have made Cheney look like a complete dolt had he brought up these previous meetings. So the onus is on Edwards to “call out” Cheney when he lies? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/56 "2004-10-06T17:12:39Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Unless Mr. Nimrod went on to becomes serial killer or a Republican and we didn’t hear about it, I don’t think SA deserves this title. It’s too good for him. > > - Brought to you by “Take Back The Word Nimrod” coalition A thousand pardons I beg. But I’d already used Yiddish, and Spanish seemed kinda showy. German, on the other hand, was awfully severe, and I’m still working on Portuguese. Once I get it, though, I’ll be able to curse all day long and my daughter won’t be giving me hell. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/57 "2004-10-06T17:13:14Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > And the multiple smiley thing is easy (assuming your question is genuine and you’re not just being snide 😛 ). > Jesus Christ. Sometimes I despair for humanity. Thanks for the lesson, though! > > Daniel I knew the liklihood was that you were being a dickweed, but I thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt. After all, you haven’t appeared to be the brightest bulb in the room today. ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/58 "2004-10-06T17:15:16Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Perhaps because for most people it wasn’t the most important part of the debate. Whether Cheney has met Edwards is not quite as important as why the US invaded Iraq, is it? Well, unless you **really** don’t want people to notice that unpleasantness in Iraq. And I imagine that Cheney etal. want Iraq noticed as little as is humanly possible. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/59 "2004-10-06T17:17:03Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Unless Mr. Nimrod went on to becomes serial killer or a Republican and we didn’t hear about it, I don’t think SA deserves this title. It’s too good for him. That’s a tad harsh, don’t you think, granny? After all, all I did was say Cheney wasn’t necessarily a liar just because he didn’t recall meeting Edwards somewhere other than in the Senate, but of course I guess as it turns out the Senate would be about the last place one would meet him. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813/60 "2004-10-06T17:21:48Z")
> [@GLWasteful](#): > > Dunno if you do or not. Enlighten me. > Well, see, the reason for this is that the point you wanted to make had nary a fucking thing to do with the point that **I** was making. Now, once again, read the damned thing before you get your knickers in a twist about things that have no bearing on what I’ve posted. Unless, that is, you’re incapable. Wouldn’t surprise me, you understand, since you’ve shown and demonstrated that you’re incapable of simple reading comprehension, but still. > So you’re also incapable of recognizing the futility of painting with a broad brush. > Damn! I’m learning so very much today. > > And you are invited to cram your smilies up your ass. Damned things have taken over, and the world’s in worse shape for it. Makes me wish for the subtlety of communicating that was in favor when I was a lad. Namely throwing dirt clods at your opponents. > > And **Left Hand of Dorkness** : Thanks, I was a mite confused. Well, this is certainly the most lame rebuttal I’m likely to get today. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheney-never-met-edwards-before-tonight/267813.md?page=4)