# Cheneys book comes out and he was right, every one else wrong **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857 "2011-09-01T17:19:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/81 "2011-09-04T16:21:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Why do you think he thinks so? He did it, after all, and was an adult at the time too. But that was also true when he led the My Lai coverup that should have taught him a lesson about taking responsibility. [http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/09powell.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/09powell.html) He says so. His second in command, Wilkerson has been on TV slamming Cheney . They called Cheney’s people the Gestapo . No love lost there. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/82 "2011-09-04T17:07:49Z")
Link no work. Anyway, is he copping to being gullible instead of obeisant? And how long did it take him to figure it out - only until he started getting asked uncomfortable questions? Powell left what remained of his honor at the UN, and he knows it, too. There’s nothing he can say or do to change that, or to rebuild any. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/83 "2011-09-04T17:30:15Z")
Why are people slamming on arguably the most influential Vice President in American history? ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/84 "2011-09-04T18:27:45Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I won’t buy his book or put a nickel in that motherfucker’s bank account by any other method. I wish he’d just fucking die and am sorry it didn’t happen before he had a chance to cause the deaths of so many. Fuck you, Cheney. Yeah, that’s how I feel about him, as well. He is walking evil. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/85 "2011-09-04T18:53:54Z")
He just endorsed Hilary for President. I suspect she doesn’t appreciate his support. 😛 [http://news.yahoo.com/cheney-us-different-hillary-clinton-president-153817016.html](http://news.yahoo.com/cheney-us-different-hillary-clinton-president-153817016.html) ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/86 "2011-09-04T20:05:57Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > He just endorsed Hilary for President. I suspect she doesn’t appreciate his support. 😛 > > [http://news.yahoo.com/cheney-us-different-hillary-clinton-president-153817016.html](http://news.yahoo.com/cheney-us-different-hillary-clinton-president-153817016.html) Now that’s just plain weird. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/87 "2011-09-04T20:07:32Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Why are people slamming on arguably the most influential Vice President in American history? At the risk of straining the HP analogy, this from Mr Ollivander: > [@](#): > > He-who-must-not-be-named did great things. Terrible, yes . . . but _great_. ETA (on the off chance this wasn’t a whoosh): “Influential” by itself is a connotation-free term. [Torquemada](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada) was likewise influential, but I’m not sure I would have enjoyed living in Spain during his tenure. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/89 "2011-09-04T22:48:05Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Now that’s just plain weird. No, it’s just politics. Guessing blind I would have thought it came from Rove, but it’s not that much of a stretch. And endorsement? Right. “Perhaps she might have been easier for some of us who are critics of the president to work with.” Because Obama has been so very hard to get to compromise and acquiesce on things. It’s an empty statement by one of the great evils of modern American political history meant to sow discord and whispering. Fuck. Him. There comes an abstract point, a line, somewhere in the far side of the gray area of vigorous disagreement and rationally based repugnance of methods and intent. Cheney’s career is far enough past that line as to make its location trivially easy to detect. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/90 "2011-09-04T23:00:07Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > At the risk of straining the HP analogy, this from Mr Ollivander:ETA (on the off chance this wasn’t a whoosh): “Influential” by itself is a connotation-free term. [Torquemada](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada) was likewise influential, but I’m not sure I would have enjoyed living in Spain during his tenure. > [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > No, it’s just politics. Guessing blind I would have thought it came from Rove, but it’s not that much of a stretch. > > And endorsement? Right. “Perhaps she might have been easier for some of us who are critics of the president to work with.” Because Obama has been so very hard to get to compromise and acquiesce on things. It’s an empty statement by one of the great evils of modern American political history meant to sow discord and whispering. > > Fuck. Him. > > There comes an abstract point, a line, somewhere in the far side of the gray area of vigorous disagreement and rationally based repugnance of methods and intent. Cheney’s career is far enough past that line as to make its location trivially easy to detect. Easy guys. As **OttoDaFe** notices, I used the term “influential”. Not “good”. Stalin was extraordinarily “influential” too. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/91 "2011-09-04T23:07:06Z")
Oops, sorry, I meant that conversationally–not _directed_ at you per se. Quoted you mainly for context of the line of thought, not to reflexively snark at someone. Oh, not only that, but my initial reaction was similar to ‘that’s plain weird’, then I remembered the subject, then an icy grip seized my heart and… ETA: Fuck Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/92 "2011-09-05T00:01:32Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Now that’s just plain weird. Not weird but evil. Trying to sow discord between the president and the secretary of state, in order to weaken the current administration. And it’s bullshit. If there’s one prominent feature to Obama’s personality, it’s the willingness to work with and compromise with people different than himself. Maybe Cheney feels that a woman (Hilary) could be more easilybrowbeaten by relentless criticism, but probably not. Maybe he really feels that Hilary is more conservative than Obama, but I doubt it. He’s just looking out for himself, and maybe his friends. Killing what he can, weakening what he can’t kill yet. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/93 "2011-09-05T00:41:31Z")
If Hillary Clinton was President and Obama had come up short he would have said the same thing in reverse. As others said, he’s trying to sow discord. Cheney is beneath contempt. A chickenhawk with innocent blood all over him. Ted Bundy looked like a personable guy and his face wasn’t as crooked as Cheney’s. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/94 "2011-09-05T01:10:03Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > **Unauthorized excerpt from Dick Cheney’s work-in-progress** I’m totally shocked. That’s entirely more humane, honest, humble, and also more coherent and enjoyable to read than anything I was expecting from Cheney. There’s hope for him, yet! ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/95 "2011-09-05T01:26:45Z")
If I were Cheney I would’ve written the same thing. “I was right, motherfuckers” No ammount of groveling and self-mutilation would’ve earned him a femtogram of sympathy from those who hate him (for whatever real, valid, or imagined reasons). He woul’ve been called a liar because those who don’t like him wouldn’t believe him. You go down swinging, even if you are a gigantic motherfucker. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/96 "2011-09-05T01:31:08Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If I were Cheney I would’ve written the same thing. “I was right, motherfuckers” > > No ammount of groveling and self-mutilation would’ve earned him a femtogram of sympathy from those who hate him (for whatever real, valid, or imagined reasons). He woul’ve been called a liar because those who don’t like him wouldn’t believe him. > > You go down swinging, even if you are a gigantic motherfucker. Unless you’re a human. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/97 "2011-09-05T01:49:22Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > If I were Cheney I would’ve written the same thing. “I was right, motherfuckers” > > No ammount of groveling and self-mutilation would’ve earned him a femtogram of sympathy from those who hate him (for whatever real, valid, or imagined reasons). He woul’ve been called a liar because those who don’t like him wouldn’t believe him. > > You go down swinging, even if you are a gigantic motherfucker. I don’t know what he wrote about the Valerie Plame case (and I’m not going to intentionally read any of his book), but if it says, “I and my associates decided to reveal an undercover operative’s identity because he husband called us on some shit we made up” then I’d believe him. He’d get no sympathy because he hasn’t shown he deserves any. But if he confesses his sins, that would be a good start. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/98 "2011-09-05T04:01:41Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Unless you’re a human. You make my point exactly. > [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > I don’t know what he wrote about the Valerie Plame case (and I’m not going to intentionally read any of his book), but if it says, “I and my associates decided to reveal an undercover operative’s identity because he husband called us on some shit we made up” then I’d believe him. > > He’d get no sympathy because he hasn’t shown he deserves any. But if he confesses his sins, that would be a good start. Again, that’s my point. Why aim for sympathy when you’re not getting any anyway. It’s like Mao writing “I’m sorry 30 million starved to death on my account”. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/99 "2011-09-06T15:17:00Z")
Funny story: I am one of the people who put together the new book list for the library. I had a cart full of new books to process, when a mother with two rather enthusiastic boys came in. One the the boy ran up to me and asked for “the monster book.” I looked at the book in my hand, and it was Cheney’s. Coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/100 "2011-09-12T11:27:19Z")
If anyone is interested, Dick and Lynne Cheney will be on The View on Sep. 13th. Just FYI. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857/101 "2011-09-12T18:03:30Z")
Unfortunately, wishing through a television screen for people to go into screaming convulsions doesn’t work. Og knows I’ve tried it enough times when I wasn’t able to avoid being in the room during a GWB press conference. I’m not going to waste my psionic efforts on the project in the future. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cheneys-book-comes-out-and-he-was-right-every-one-else-wrong/594857.md?page=6)