# chess game: glee v treis **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 13, 2007, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916 "2007-05-13T08:58:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/41 "2007-05-17T20:54:33Z")
I was about to say it was nearly over for Black in one move! (White wins at least a pawn and a piece, probably more, after Nb8-d7.) We may complain, but if you need a couple days to think about a move, we won’t mind. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/42 "2007-05-17T21:16:05Z")
[QUOTE=panamajack] We may complain, but if you need a couple days to think about a move, we won’t mind. 😉 [/QUOTE] I’ve been considering this sort of an attack for white since I moved c7-c6. I don’t know why I thought moving my knight was smart, but I went :smack: the minute I posted it. Unfortunately this is a theme for me in chess playing. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/43 "2007-05-17T21:17:12Z")
[spoiler] In considering Nb8-d7 — which looks good because Nd7-c5 follows — I wondered about playing Nf6-d7 with the same follow up. It leaves the kingside looking pretty spartan, but it opens f6 for the Q and the kingside looks pretty static for now. The main thing I don’t like about Bc8-d7 is that **Treis** wasn’t considering it at all until after **glee** ’s move. Not unlike the pawn move on the h file, black seems to be reacting to white’s plays instead of sticking to the good plans he already has. {quote=Treis]I’m going to hold off on castling until I see where his attack is going to come from. [/quote} quotes show through the spoiler box… Now he knows where the attack is coming from, but he doesn’t castle. Instead, he makes a move that isn’t part of his plans.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/44 "2007-05-18T15:04:30Z")
Derr! Scratch all that! Sorry! Until I looked at the board this morning I thought **treis** had decided on a different move. (Obviously!) I’m not even playing and I blundered! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/45 "2007-05-18T16:20:32Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Nb8-d7 > [@treis](#): > > Derr that was a stupid move. I’m going to take that back … That’s the idea of a training game! 1. …Nb8-d7? is indeed a blunder. White continues 9. Qa4xc6, attacking both a8 and d6. Black can try 9. … Qd8-c7 10. Qc6xa8 OO, threatening Bc8-a6. However 11. Nc3-b5 saves the White Queen and leaves White a rook ahead. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/46 "2007-05-18T16:36:18Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 [spoiler] I think Black is now under a lot of pressure. There are three obvious choices: A 9. … e6xd5 10. e2-e4! Now White threatens both e4xd5 and e4-e5 (forking d6+f6). e4-e5 is a particularly nasty threat, because guarding e5 doesn’t stop it. If 10. … Nb8-d7 11. e4-e5 Nd7xe5 12. Nf3xe5 Bd6xe5 13. Rf1-e1 any 14. d4 wins a piece. B 9. … Nf6xd5 10. e2-e4 Nd5xc3 11. b2xc3 OO 12. e4-e5 Bd6-e7 13. Qa4-g4 (threatening Bc1xh6) when White has the initiative. C 9. … b6-b5 10. Qa4-b3 Nf6xd5 11. Nc3xd5 e6xd5 12. e2-e4 and White has all the play. [/spoiler] One of the ways I know if I’m doing well is if I can predict my opponent’s next few moves (and of course the resulting positions are to my liking!) ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/47 "2007-05-18T17:36:46Z")
8. …Bc8-b7 wasn’t so great either. Shoulda gone to e7: protect the _King_, damn you! ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/48 "2007-05-18T17:52:33Z")
Contains question about **glee** ’s analysis of the next few moves: What do you think of in the B-branch, 1. … Nf6xd5 10.e2-d4 Nd5-b4 ? 11.d3-d4 Bb7-a6 or 11.e4-e5, probably, but it doesn’t seem a terrible position. Maybe I’m missing something. I would’ve thought castling to be an okay defensive response on move 8, too. (Maybe too defensive?) ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/49 "2007-05-18T20:21:20Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/50 "2007-05-19T01:40:23Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/51 "2007-05-19T01:52:31Z")
[QUOTE=panamajack] Contains question about **glee** ’s analysis of the next few moves: What do you think of in the B-branch, 1. … Nf6xd5 10.e2-d4 Nd5-b4 ? 11.d3-d4 Bb7-a6 or 11.e4-e5, probably, but it doesn’t seem a terrible position. Maybe I’m missing something. [/quote] After 9. … Nf6xd5 10.e2-d4 Nd5-b4, I think I have broken up Black’s pawn centre. Also the knight on b4 has few retreats. I would probably play 11. Rf1-d1, ready to continue with a2-a3 (and then d3-d4). If 11. … Bb7-a6 12. Bg2-f1 renews the threat of a2-a3. [QUOTE=panamajack] I would’ve thought castling to be an okay defensive response on move 8, too. (Maybe too defensive?) [/QUOTE] This continuation has passed, so I think we can do without spoilers.. 1. …OO does break the pin on the c6 pawn. 🙂 However I would have continued 9. b2-b4, preparing b4-b5 to break up the pawn chain on c6 + d5. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/52 "2007-05-19T02:22:35Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 Nb8-d7 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/53 "2007-05-19T02:35:44Z")
Going to take that back once more and do: White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/54 "2007-05-19T04:36:39Z")
I’m screwed ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/55 "2007-05-19T12:03:49Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Now White has the initiative! 🆒 I threaten e4-e5 and Nb8-d7 doesn’t stop it. Also the centre has opened up, which favours the better developed player (here that’s White). The game could continue: 11. … Bd6-e7 (hard to find) 12. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 (if Nb8-d7 e4-e5 is strong) and White is looking great. Chess never ceases to amaze me. Black built a solid wall of pawns in the centre - just a few moves later, it’s all gone. [QUOTE=treis] 1. e2-e4 **Nb8-d7** Going to take that back once more… [/quote] Correct, because 11. e4-e5 wins a piece due to the pin on the e-file. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/56 "2007-05-19T16:12:22Z")
Since this move is past, I hope it’s ok to skip the spoilering. [QUOTE=garygnu] 8. …Bc8-b7 wasn’t so great either. Shoulda gone to e7\ [/QUOTE] This is the move I _thought_ **Treis** made. (B to _d_7 at any rate.) I stick by the idea that one should try to stick to one’s plans, but this move makes c4xd5 unattractive because c6xd5 threatens the Queen. (I haven’t been able to create boards yet. Sorry!) White can still move e4, but black can put the Bishop on c5, breaking up the potential fork and making Nf6 to g4 a serious threat. One of my greatest weaknesses has always been foreseeing my opponent’s moves and focusing only on immediate concerns. I suspect **glee** would follow 8…Bc8-d7 with 9.Bc1-e3, but that allows Black to chase the queen away. As the board stands, I have to wonder about: Bc6-d5?. Again, it breaks up the potential pawn fork and the black queen has an open file. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/57 "2007-05-19T17:50:07Z")
[QUOTE=SiXSwordS] Since this move is past, I hope it’s ok to skip the spoilering. This is the move I _thought_ **Treis** made. (B to _d_7 at any rate.) I stick by the idea that one should try to stick to one’s plans, but this move makes c4xd5 unattractive because c6xd5 threatens the Queen. (I haven’t been able to create boards yet. Sorry!) [/quote] I was generally trying to prevent c6xd5, because then Black has a very stable pawn formation. So I wouldn’t play c4xd5 after Bc8-d7. If Black played Bc8-d7, I would think that the knight on b8 was blocked and that the bishop would not be contesting the h1-a8 diagonal. I would look at b2-b4, preparing b4-b5. [QUOTE=SiXSwordS] As the board stands, I have to wonder about: Bc6-d5?. Again, it breaks up the potential pawn fork and the black queen has an open file. [/QUOTE] Do you mean 11. … Bd6-c5? It does break up the fork, but I can get the d-file off the Black Queen anytime by playing Rf1-d1. I would probably play 12. e4-e5 Nf6-d7 13. Nc3-e4 with Rf1-d1 to come… ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/58 "2007-05-19T21:00:18Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/59 "2007-05-19T21:35:21Z")
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**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/60 "2007-05-19T23:35:39Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 [spoiler]As before, Black can’t take on e5 because after exchanging, Rf1-e1 and then f2-f4 wins a piece. Now I dominate the centre and have a healthy lead in development. 🆒 Probable lines: A 12. … Bd6-e7 13. Qa4-g4! and now if 13. … g7-g6 14. e5-e6 or 13. … OO? 14. Bc1xh6 B 12. … Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 This looks really good for me, since Black is ‘undeveloping’. However my Queen is a little short of squares (I don’t want to exchange Queens, since the Black King is in the centre). [/spoiler] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916.md?page=4)