# chess game: glee v treis **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 13, 2007, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916 "2007-05-13T08:58:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2007, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/81 "2007-05-20T23:43:15Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/82 "2007-05-21T04:02:00Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/83 "2007-05-21T04:17:45Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 Bf8-c5 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/84 "2007-05-21T05:02:59Z")
I’d just like to point out that I might not be very good at chess, but I am very good at recognizing when I am screwed. See post 54 for proof. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/85 "2007-05-21T12:24:24Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 Bf8-c5 20. Nd4-f5 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/86 "2007-05-21T17:45:59Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 Bf8-c5 20. Nd4-f5 g7-g6 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/87 "2007-05-21T18:07:25Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 Bf8-c5 20. Nd4-f5 g7-g6 21. Na7xc8 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/88 "2007-05-21T18:35:15Z")
White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 Bf8-c5 20. Nd4-f5 g7-g6 21. Na7xc8 Rb8xc8 ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/89 "2007-05-21T18:53:32Z")
glee, I am going to leave it up to you if you want to continue or not. I am going to be down at least two pieces, and am thoroughly beaten. My only chance is a massive blunder by you, and there is little satisfaction in that. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/90 "2007-05-21T19:04:04Z")
> [@tries](#): > > glee, I am going to leave it up to you if you want to continue or not. I am going to be down at least two pieces, and am thoroughly beaten. My only chance is a massive blunder by you, and there is little satisfaction in that. I appreciate the offer, but really it’s up to you. I enjoy learning stuff on the SDMB and am happy to be an expert in my little area. If you feel you will learn anything by continuing, feel free to do so. I would indeed expect to win easily from this position. Whenever we stop, I’ll happily discuss the game. White Black Glee Treis 1. Ng1-f3 e7-e6 2. c2-c4 Ng8-f6 3. Nb1-c3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 d7-d5 5. Bf1-g2 c7-c6 6. d2-d3 h7-h6 7. OO Bf8-d6 8. Qd1-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c4xd5 e6xd5 10. e2-e4 d5xe4 11. d3xe4 Nf6-d7 12. e4-e5 Nd7-c5 13. Qa4-g4 Bd6-f8 14. Rf1-d1 Qd8-c8 15. Qg4xc8+ Bb7xc8 16. Nf3-d4 Nb8-d7 17. Nc3-b5 Nc5-a6 18. Bg2xc6 Ra8-b8 19. Nb5xa7 Bf8-c5 20. Nd4-f5 g7-g6 21. Na7xc8 Rb8xc8 22. Bc6xd7+ ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/91 "2007-05-21T19:17:43Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I appreciate the offer, but really it’s up to you. > I enjoy learning stuff on the SDMB and am happy to be an expert in my little area. > If you feel you will learn anything by continuing, feel free to do so. > I would indeed expect to win easily from this position. > Whenever we stop, I’ll happily discuss the game. I’ll go ahead and resign then. I’ll post my thoughts later because I have to run to a midterm, but the obvious mistake was h7-h6 instead of preparing to castle. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/92 "2007-05-21T21:12:27Z")
[QUOTE=glee] From Glee: Ah, but e4-e5 opens the line of my Queen on a4, so if 12. …Nf6 - g4? 13. Qa4xg4! [/QUOTE] :smack: I have developed the habit of playing all games out on an actual board for just this reason. I play the vast majority of my games against the computer and I always set up a board IRL and make my moves there first. I have also developed the habit of writing down all the moves and I write my moves _before_ I make them. Doing that has helped me cut down on blunders and obvious errors. People give me a hard time for writing down my moves, but I’ve won a lot more games and I haven’t lost a single game to :smack: type mistakes. I eagerly await commentary on the game. I haven’t been home yet to play it out on a board and I missed 90% of what happened over the weekend, but it’s interesting to hear what players are thinking as they’re making their moves and then seeing how those plans work or fall apart. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2007, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/93 "2007-05-22T22:46:06Z")
[QUOTE=SiXSwordS] :smack: I have developed the habit of playing all games out on an actual board for just this reason. I play the vast majority of my games against the computer and I always set up a board IRL and make my moves there first. I have also developed the habit of writing down all the moves and I write my moves _before_ I make them. Doing that has helped me cut down on blunders and obvious errors. People give me a hard time for writing down my moves, but I’ve won a lot more games and I haven’t lost a single game to :smack: type mistakes. I eagerly await commentary on the game. I haven’t been home yet to play it out on a board and I missed 90% of what happened over the weekend, but it’s interesting to hear what players are thinking as they’re making their moves and then seeing how those plans work or fall apart. [/QUOTE] I’ll post a commentary in this thread soon. I’ll also answer questions about ‘what if that move was played?’ etc. SixSwords, in over-the-board chess, you’re not allowed now to write your moves before making them. (I think it counts as analysis…) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/94 "2007-05-22T22:47:23Z")
[QUOTE=treis] I’ll go ahead and resign then. I’ll post my thoughts later because I have to run to a midterm, but the obvious mistake was h7-h6 instead of preparing to castle. [/QUOTE] Thanks for the game. 🙂 I’ll go into detail soon, but certainly castling was better than h7-h6! ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/95 "2007-05-24T14:36:58Z")
[QUOTE=glee] \ in over-the-board chess, you’re not allowed now to write your moves before making them. (I think it counts as analysis…) [/QUOTE] I can honestly say that I’d never heard that before. Of course, I’ve never played in any type of ‘official’ game. Two questions: At what level of play does this rule apply? If a tournament is “Touch Piece” for example, would you expect that you cannot write your moves down? Also, is it that you can’t write your moves _before_ you make them, or that you can’t write your moves at all? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/96 "2007-05-24T16:09:34Z")
[QUOTE=SiXSwordS] Also, is it that you can’t write your moves _before_ you make them, or that you can’t write your moves at all? [/QUOTE] IANAChess expert (by event the remotest and most generous definition), but I’m quite sure that I’ve read that writing down moves after you make them is not only allowed, but recommended. I’ve also watched some chess, and they appear to write down their moves. Writing down moves is necessary in case: 1. An illegal position is discovered, in which case the board needs to be reset to the last legal position, and: 2. A player wished to claim a draw by threefold repetition, in which case a written record is generally required as proof. 3. A player wishes to claim a draw by the fifty rule move. There are probably other situations that I can’t think of now. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/97 "2007-05-24T16:27:50Z")
[QUOTE=SiXSwordS] I can honestly say that I’d never heard that before. Of course, I’ve never played in any type of ‘official’ game. Two questions: At what level of play does this rule apply? If a tournament is “Touch Piece” for example, would you expect that you cannot write your moves down? Also, is it that you can’t write your moves _before_ you make them, or that you can’t write your moves at all? [/QUOTE] Any form of organised/rated chess is governed by the rules of the World Chess Federation. (I think the US Federation does make a few exceptions…) The rule is that you can’t write your move \*\*before \*\* you make it. You are **required** to write it afterwards. The [rules of chess](http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101) say: _touch-move_ 4.2 Provided that he first expresses his intention (e.g. by saying "j`adoube" or "I adjust"), the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares. 4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved, or one or more of his opponent`s pieces, he must capture the first piece touched, which can be captured … _keeping score_ 8.1 In the course of play each player is required to record his own moves and those of his opponent in the correct manner, move after move, as clearly and legibly as possible…It is forbidden to write the moves in advance, unless the player is claiming a draw according to Article 9.2 or 9.3. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/98 "2007-05-24T16:28:56Z")
[QUOTE=fachverwirrt] IANAChess expert (by event the remotest and most generous definition), but I’m quite sure that I’ve read that writing down moves after you make them is not only allowed, but recommended. I’ve also watched some chess, and they appear to write down their moves. Writing down moves is necessary in case: 1. An illegal position is discovered, in which case the board needs to be reset to the last legal position, and: 2. A player wished to claim a draw by threefold repetition, in which case a written record is generally required as proof. 3. A player wishes to claim a draw by the fifty rule move. There are probably other situations that I can’t think of now. [/QUOTE] All your examples are correct. However the biggie is claiming a win on time (using chess clocks0. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916/99 "2007-05-24T17:23:26Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > If a tournament is “Touch Piece” for example [QUOTE=glee] The [rules of chess](http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101) say: _touch-move_ [/QUOTE] You know, maybe I’ll just stop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-glee-v-treis/403916.md?page=4)