# Chess game: Kythereia vs. glee **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 21, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199 "2005-02-21T17:02:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/61 "2005-03-03T17:25:35Z")
_buffs his nails and looks studly as he sits hunched over the board_ Except for when I play, the women flock to me. No seriously STOP LAUGHING 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/62 "2005-03-03T17:34:12Z")
Who’s laughing? _grins at **ronincyberpunk** _ Og smash **glee** with help of IPU! Kythereia glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 Nxe4 3. f3 Nf6 4. Nh3 c5 5. c4 cxd4 6. c5 Qa5+ 7. b4 Qxb4+ 8. Bd2 Qxc5 9. Nf4 Nc6 10. Nd3 Qb6 11. f4 > [@glee](#): > > Yes, and this thread will prove no exception. ☹ Says who? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/63 "2005-03-03T17:42:54Z")
Kythereia glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 Nxe4 3. f3 Nf6 4. Nh3 c5 5. c4 cxd4 6. c5 Qa5+ 7. b4 Qxb4+ 8. Bd2 Qxc5 9. Nf4 Nc6 10. Nd3 Qb6 11. f4 d6 ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/64 "2005-03-03T17:48:46Z")
Kythereia glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 Nxe4 3. f3 Nf6 4. Nh3 c5 5. c4 cxd4 6. c5 Qa5+ 7. b4 Qxb4+ 8. Bd2 Qxc5 9. Nf4 Nc6 10. Nd3 Qb6 11. f4 d6 12. a4 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/65 "2005-03-03T17:55:58Z")
Kythereia glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 Nxe4 3. f3 Nf6 4. Nh3 c5 5. c4 cxd4 6. c5 Qa5+ 7. b4 Qxb4+ 8. Bd2 Qxc5 9. Nf4 Nc6 10. Nd3 Qb6 11. f4 d6 12. a4 e5 ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/66 "2005-03-03T18:02:33Z")
_winks to Kyth as he peeks from his homework_ And the moves are coming rapidly now as we enter the middle game. I’m expecting a slugfest to ensue. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/67 "2005-03-03T18:03:01Z")
Kythereia glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 Nxe4 3. f3 Nf6 4. Nh3 c5 5. c4 cxd4 6. c5 Qa5+ 7. b4 Qxb4+ 8. Bd2 Qxc5 9. Nf4 Nc6 10. Nd3 Qb6 11. f4 d6 12. a4 e5 13. a5 ---
**Author:** ![SiouxChief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@SiouxChief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiouxChief)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/68 "2005-03-03T21:12:41Z")
This is very, very cool. My new theory: Kythereia = Judit Polgar ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/69 "2005-03-03T21:16:40Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > This is very, very cool. > > My new theory: Kythereia = Judit Polgar Now that would be cool. If Judit Polgar were hanging out on SDMB. For those who read the thread and don’t know who she is: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit\_Polgar](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polgar) ---
**Author:** ![SiouxChief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@SiouxChief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiouxChief)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/70 "2005-03-03T21:39:01Z")
I am a _huge_ Judit Polgar fan. If she turned up on SDMB I’m pretty sure I’d wet myself. (In the most dignified way possible, of course) I first saw her name when I was reading a chess book that had a bunch of amazingly well played games to demonstrate superior strategy. It was a game between Judit Polgar and a grandmaster. She trounced him. She beat him so badly that it encouraged me to look her up. My jaw dropped when I found out that at the time of that game, she was _ **thirteen** _ There is a great picture of her on [this](http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1078) website beating the pants off of then-FIDE president Campomanes, when she was just a kid. Oh yeah, and she _had her back turned._ ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/71 "2005-03-03T23:32:36Z")
Kythereia glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 Nxe4 3. f3 Nf6 4. Nh3 c5 5. c4 cxd4 6. c5 Qa5+ 7. b4 Qxb4+ 8. Bd2 Qxc5 9. Nf4 Nc6 10. Nd3 Qb6 11. f4 d6 12. a4 e5 13. a5 Qc7 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2005, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/72 "2005-03-03T23:40:00Z")
> [@SiouxChief](#): > > I first saw her name when I was reading a chess book that had a bunch of amazingly well played games to demonstrate superior strategy. It was a game between Judit Polgar and a grandmaster. She trounced him. She beat him so badly that it encouraged me to look her up. My jaw dropped when I found out that at the time of that game, she was _ **thirteen** _ > > There is a great picture of her on [this](http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1078) website beating the pants off of then-FIDE president Campomanes, when she was just a kid. Oh yeah, and she _had her back turned._ Yes, Judit has had a fantastic career. She had a child last August, but scored an excellent result this January in the very strong Corus GM event. (Judit came 4= with Grishuk, Adams and Kramnik, scoring 7/13.) [http://www.coruschess.com/](http://www.coruschess.com/) Both her sisters are strong players too. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/73 "2005-03-04T10:54:49Z")
Judit IIRC could have been women’s world champion any time she liked, but has scorned the opportunity as she is more interested in having a shot at the _men’s_. Not to be sexist, but this makes her outstandingly strong. Compare one of the longer-reigning women’s champions, Vera Menchik, who did dreadfully against men (e.g. Carlsbad 1929). ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/74 "2005-03-04T11:58:30Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Judit IIRC could have been women’s world champion any time she liked, but has scorned the opportunity as she is more interested in having a shot at the _men’s_. Not to be sexist, but this makes her outstandingly strong. Compare one of the longer-reigning women’s champions, Vera Menchik, who did dreadfully against men (e.g. Carlsbad 1929). I like to think of the World Chess Championship (even though we have ‘two’ at the moment :rolleyes: ) as the Open. There are separate titles for women and juniors. it is difficult to compare players across the generations. For one thing, there seems to be some inflation in gradings. Having said that, here are the leading current players (all male): 1 Kasparov, Garry g RUS 2804 2 Anand, Viswanathan g IND 2786 3 Topalov, Veselin g BUL 2757 4 Kramnik, Vladimir g RUS 2754 5 Leko, Peter g HUN 2749 14 6 Morozevich, Alexander g RUS 2741 7 Adams, Michael g ENG 2741 8 Svidler, Peter g RUS 2735 9 Bacrot, Etienne g FRA 2715 10 Shirov, Alexei g ESP 2713 And the current leading women: Polgar, Zsuzsa g USA 2577 Xie, Jun g CHN 2573 Koneru, Humpy g IND 2512 Judit Polgar has not got a current rating, due to starting her family. In Jan 2004, she was rated 2728, putting her in the World top 10. (Her tournament performance in the Corus event was better than 2720.) Vera Menchik (1906-44) had a best 5 year average of 2350. ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/75 "2005-03-04T12:33:48Z")
It was an interesting link that **SiouxChief** posted about Judit. **glee** is it possible to make an estimate of the ranking common computer chess programs could be assigned if they play their top game? I am thinking of something like ShredderClassic. ---
**Author:** ![InvidiousCourgette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@InvidiousCourgette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InvidiousCourgette)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/76 "2005-03-04T12:36:20Z")
Ahh, forget the question! I just looked at the settings, and 2400 is the level it maxes out at! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/77 "2005-03-04T13:41:34Z")
> [@InvidiousCourgette](#): > > It was an interesting link that **SiouxChief** posted about Judit. > > **glee** is it possible to make an estimate of the ranking common computer chess programs could be assigned if they play their top game? I am thinking of something like ShredderClassic. Here is a reliable set of tested ratings: Ratings are calibrated to Pentium4 machines running at 1000MHz. BCF Elo… Program 266 2732 Shredder8 264 2718 Shredder9 (only results from 54 games in, so early days!) 263 2712 Shredder7.04 262 2702 Junior9 261 2693 Junior8 260 2688 Fritz8. 260 2684 Hiarcs9 260 2682 Fritz7 257 2660 Chess Tiger15 257 2657 Chess Tiger14 257 2657 Gandalf 6 256 2655 Chessmaster9000 255 2640 Hiarcs8 251 2612 Rebel Century4 251 2611 Ruffian2 ---
**Author:** ![petelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@petelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/petelin)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/78 "2005-03-04T15:24:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Kythereia** > > No, petelin, it’s okay. glee just hasn’t made his move yet > > How you doin’? I’m doing just fine. Who has winner? I remember when kibitzing was frowned upon…here it’s practically encouraged! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2005, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/79 "2005-03-04T21:12:04Z")
> [@petelin](#): > > I’m doing just fine. Who has winner? > > I remember when kibitzing was frowned upon…here it’s practically encouraged! Well quiet kibitzers are still welcome at over-the-board chess games. However having your mobile phone go off at a tournament will see you promptly ejected from the playing area. (This will rightly prove inconvenient if you are a player!) Since your comments won’t distract the players in the thread, feel free to say something. ---
**Author:** ![Dubious\_Sacrifice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f08c70/32.png) [@Dubious\_Sacrifice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dubious_Sacrifice)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199/80 "2005-03-05T03:23:20Z")
Wow, I don’t believe I have ever seen 2.e4 before. Dubious sacrifice indeed. 😉 Since this move is in no opening books that I know of, I hereby name this opening **The Kythereia Doper Attack**. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-kythereia-vs-glee/291199.md?page=5)