# Chess game: MindWanderer vs Glee **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 10, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404 "2005-02-10T15:40:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sevo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sevo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/21 "2005-02-11T04:17:32Z")
> [@LordVor](#): > > I’m interested in seeing what Glee has up his sleeve…at this point he appears to be behind in position, with only his knight out and active while white has his knight, black bishop and queen ready for action… Yes, but glee still has a D & E file pawn. Mindwanderer’s empty D file is worth the exchange. Is it wrong to mix gummy worms and corn chips? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/22 "2005-02-11T04:51:22Z")
> [@LordVor](#): > > I’m interested in seeing what Glee has up his sleeve…at this point he appears to be behind in position, with only his knight out and active while white has his knight, black bishop and queen ready for action… He may have those availble but he has no pawn structure to support any sort of attack. His pawn on c is going to become less valuable when glee eventually castles king side. At this point any attempt to move a knight up into a position supported by that pawn will be swifty rebuked by one of Glee’s pawns. Glee has taken the initiative from white and can now force the action at his (her?) pleasure. I predict that glee will move e5 challenging Mindwander’s knight. Mindwander will either move his knight up (Bad Mindwander!) or be forced to retreat. Glee will be free to move his bishop out to open up castling or perhaps develop his d pawn or his other knight (llama). > [@Sevo](#): > > Is it wrong to mix gummy worms and corn chips? Horribly wrong, pass the gummy worms over. ---
**Author:** ![Taran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Taran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taran)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/23 "2005-02-11T05:15:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Horribly wrong, pass the gummy worms over. Nonsense, it is the sublimest of joys, as I can even now attest. And I think 3.g3 would have been terrible; the fiancetto’d bishop wouldn’t have been worth the time. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/24 "2005-02-11T12:13:33Z")
I’m inclined to agree. After 1. d4, Nf6; 2. c4, c5; 3. g3, Black has 3. … cxd4; 4. Qxd4, Nc6; and while Black doesn’t have a centre pawn for the time being, he gains time kicking the WQ about, can play …Qa5 at a convenient time, and choose how to set up his centre at his leisure. There isn’t anything in particular for White to point his g2 bishop at. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/25 "2005-02-11T17:08:43Z")
_flirts shamelessly with Taran_ I’ll have a gummy worm! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/26 "2005-02-11T17:17:49Z")
MW glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. Nf3 cxd4 4. Nxd4 b6 I intend to develop my bishop on b7. (This is known as a fianchetto). > [@MindWanderer](#): > > I looked at d5, but wasn’t sure if it was good or not. Capturing looked bad to me so I developed the knight instead. d5 is the most popular move in that position. dxc5 allows me to recapture the pawn - better is Nf3 which brings another piece out. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/27 "2005-02-11T17:25:47Z")
> [@Taran](#): > > What’s the thinking on 3.g3 ? I remember from my days of playing the English as white that 1.c4 2.g3 worked well. But I was 1600-level on my best day, so… g3 is a very compatible idea with c4, but you should defend the d4 pawn first. 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. g3 cxd4 4. Qxd4 Nc6 gains time for Black, while 5. d4 Nf6 6. c4 c5 7. g3 cxd4 8. Nf3 e5!? 9. Nxe5? Qa5+ wins for Black! > [@Taran](#): > > :: pulls up a lawn-char, offers to share his chips with **Kytheria** :: For goodness sake! This is not a ball game!! Put those crunchy chips in that rustling packet AWAY! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/28 "2005-02-11T17:29:38Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > _thanks **Taran** with a big kiss, throws soda over **glee** for a distraction_ First the mobile phone, now this. :eek: Clearly you have no idea about chessplayers… We are mainly shy geeky nerdy males, who would be distracted simply by a woman walking by. Soda on other hand is edible. Therefore we understand how to deal with it. (Slurp!) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/29 "2005-02-11T17:35:07Z")
> [@LordVor](#): > > I’m interested in seeing what Glee has up his sleeve…at this point he appears to be behind in position, with only his knight out and active while white has his knight, black bishop and queen ready for action… This is a fair point. Although White can **develop** more rapidly, I have \*\*no weaknesses \*\* for him to attack. I have exchanged a **key central pawn** , so am not under pressure there. I also have played this particular position several times, so have a good idea what to expect. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/30 "2005-02-11T17:37:45Z")
> [@Lazlo](#): > > Oops. My bad. I was out of town all day and just made a thread before seeing this. We’ll pick it up whenever you’re ready, glee. No worries. As I said in the other thread, I’ll be happy to play you once one of my current games finishes! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/31 "2005-02-11T17:42:39Z")
> [@treis](#): > > He may have those availble but he has no pawn structure to support any sort of attack. His pawn on c is going to become less valuable when glee eventually castles king side. At this point any attempt to move a knight up into a position supported by that pawn will be swifty rebuked by one of Glee’s pawns. Glee has taken the initiative from white and can now force the action at his (her?) pleasure. > > I predict that glee will move e5 challenging Mindwander’s knight. Mindwander will either move his knight up (Bad Mindwander!) or be forced to retreat. Glee will be free to move his bishop out to open up castling or perhaps develop his d pawn or his other knight (llama). Although I am happy with my position, I do not have the initiative. The advantage of the first move lingers on. e5 is a risky concept. Although it forces the knight to move, it weakens d5. A previous game of mine continued: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. Nf3 cxd4 4. Nxd4 b6 5. Nc3 Bb7 6. f3 d6 7. e4 e6 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/32 "2005-02-11T17:50:31Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > I’m inclined to agree. After 1. d4, Nf6; 2. c4, c5; 3. g3, Black has 3. … cxd4; 4. Qxd4, Nc6; and while Black doesn’t have a centre pawn for the time being, he gains time kicking the WQ about, can play …Qa5 at a convenient time, and choose how to set up his centre at his leisure. There isn’t anything in particular for White to point his g2 bishop at. All correct 🙂 except for the last point. The g2 bishop points at the b7 pawn, the centre squares e4 + d5 (and the a8 rook). This bishop is often one of White’s most effective pieces in this sort of opening. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/33 "2005-02-11T17:54:39Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > _flirts shamelessly with Taran_ > > I’ll have a gummy worm! No wonder male chess players lack confidence with females: - I start the game (good 🙂 ) - intelligent female spectator turns up (very good 😃 ) - she makes phone call (bad ☹ ) - she throws soda over me (is she … flirting? 😕 ) - she flirts with spectator (typical :rolleyes: ) ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/34 "2005-02-11T18:09:46Z")
Right, then… _flirts absolutely shamelessly with **glee** , loves a man with brains_ ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/35 "2005-02-11T18:20:44Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > Right, then… _flirts absolutely shamelessly with **glee** , loves a man with brains_ A woman is actually flirting with me! :eek: What do I do? 😕 Offer to show her my home ‘pawn’ collection? Discuss ‘mating positions’? There’s nothing in my chess books about this… ---
**Author:** ![Sevo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sevo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/36 "2005-02-11T19:15:41Z")
> [@glee](#): > > A woman is actually flirting with me! :eek: > > What do I do? 😕 (Passes Glee the gummy worms) Pssst…Offer her one! This is the first game I’ve watched on the boards here. Definitely more fun than playing my cat. (She’s fantastic with her openings & pawn structues but tends to blow it in the endgame). ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/37 "2005-02-11T21:21:50Z")
> [@glee](#): > > All correct 🙂 except for the last point. > The g2 bishop points at the b7 pawn, the centre squares e4 + d5 (and the a8 rook). This bishop is often one of White’s most effective pieces in this sort of opening. Point taken. And it’s not like I didn’t go around playing 1. … g6 a lot when I was playing league chess. (The mediocre club player deigns to agree with the IM 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/38 "2005-02-11T21:30:38Z")
> [@Sevo](#): > > (Passes Glee the gummy worms) > Pssst…Offer her one! > > This is the first game I’ve watched on the boards here. Definitely more fun than playing my cat. (She’s fantastic with her openings & pawn structues but tends to blow it in the endgame). This may be another example of a common language dividing us. Is offering a chap\* a ‘gummy worm’ considered respectful? \*over this side of the pond, everyone can be called a chap… ---
**Author:** ![MindWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@MindWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindWanderer)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/39 "2005-02-11T23:22:45Z")
MW glee 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. Nf3 cxd4 4. Nxd4 b6 5. Nc3 ---
**Author:** ![Lazlo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lazlo/32/9678_2.png) [@Lazlo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lazlo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-game-mindwanderer-vs-glee/289404/40 "2005-02-11T23:52:57Z")
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