# Chess: glee v Mosier **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 5, 2011, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116 "2011-12-05T11:58:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/61 "2012-03-01T21:06:12Z")
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 h6 9. Nf3 Bd6 10. d4 e4 11. Ne5 O-O 12. O-O c6-c5 13. c3 Re8 14. f4 e4xf3 15. Bxf3 Bb7 16. Bxb7 Nxb7 17. Nxf7 Kxf7 18. Qb3+ Kf8 19. Qxb7 Kg8 20. Qf3 Re4 21. Nd2 Bxh2+ 22. Kxh2 > [@Mosier](#): > > I’m probably overlooking something, but I think I see a good opportunity to get my initiative back and put you in a difficult position. 1. You’re two pawns down, so trying for mate is jolly reasonable! 2. Players should always check before moving that their opponent’s ‘forcing moves’ in reply (i.e. captures / checks) don’t lead to forced wins. > [@Mosier](#): > > I know I’m apologizing for delays every time I post in this game, but I hope you’ll forgive me! My next move won’t take nearly as long. Thanks for being patient with me! > > [game](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wbeditor.php?w=8&h=8&p=PRNBQKBNRPPPPPPPP ________________________________ pppppppprnbqkbnr0&m=e4_e5_Nf3_Nc6_Bc4_Nf6_Ng5_d5_exd5_Na5_Bb5*_c6_dxc6_bxc6_Be2_h6_Nf3_Bd6_d4_e4_Ne5_O-O_O-O_c5_c3_Re8_f4_exf3_Bxf3_Bb7_Bxb7_Nxb7_Nxf7_Kxf7_Qb3*_Kf8_Qxb7_Kg8_Qf3_Re4_Nd2_Bxh2*_Kxh2_Ng4*_Kh3_Nh2&s=White&n=42&f=) Nah, it’s fine. People play postal chess games where each move can take a day or two… ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/62 "2012-03-02T14:45:39Z")
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 h6 9. Nf3 Bd6 10. d4 e4 11. Ne5 O-O 12. O-O c6-c5 13. c3 Re8 14. f4 e4xf3 15. Bxf3 Bb7 16. Bxb7 Nxb7 17. Nxf7 Kxf7 18. Qb3+ Kf8 19. Qxb7 Kg8 20. Qf3 Re4 21. Nd2 Bxh2+ 22. Kxh2 Ng4+ It’s driving me crazy that I can’t see your escape route! Every line I try to analyze ends with checkmate or captured white queen. I guess I’ll have to find out the hard way. [Game](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wbeditor.php?w=8&h=8&p=PRNBQKBNRPPPPPPPP ________________________________ pppppppprnbqkbnr0&m=e4_e5_Nf3_Nc6_Bc4_Nf6_Ng5_d5_exd5_Na5_Bb5*_c6_dxc6_bxc6_Be2_h6_Nf3_Bd6_d4_e4_Ne5_O-O_O-O_c5_c3_Re8_f4_exf3_Bxf3_Bb7_Bxb7_Nxb7_Nxf7_Kxf7_Qb3*_Kf8_Qxb7_Kg8_Qf3_Re4_Nd2_Bxh2*_Kxh2_Ng4*&s=White&n=44&f=) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/63 "2012-03-02T15:11:35Z")
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 h6 9. Nf3 Bd6 10. d4 e4 11. Ne5 O-O 12. O-O c6-c5 13. c3 Re8 14. f4 e4xf3 15. Bxf3 Bb7 16. Bxb7 Nxb7 17. Nxf7 Kxf7 18. Qb3+ Kf8 19. Qxb7 Kg8 20. Qf3 Re4 21. Nd2 Bxh2+ 22. Kxh2 Ng4+ 23. Kg1 > [@Mosier](#): > > It’s driving me crazy that I can’t see your escape route! Every line I try to analyze ends with checkmate or captured white queen. > > I guess I’ll have to find out the hard way. > > [Game](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wbeditor.php?w=8&h=8&p=PRNBQKBNRPPPPPPPP ________________________________ pppppppprnbqkbnr0&m=e4_e5_Nf3_Nc6_Bc4_Nf6_Ng5_d5_exd5_Na5_Bb5*_c6_dxc6_bxc6_Be2_h6_Nf3_Bd6_d4_e4_Ne5_O-O_O-O_c5_c3_Re8_f4_exf3_Bxf3_Bb7_Bxb7_Nxb7_Nxf7_Kxf7_Qb3*_Kf8_Qxb7_Kg8_Qf3_Re4_Nd2_Bxh2*_Kxh2_Ng4*&s=White&n=44&f=) OK, my analysis is: a) 23. … Qh4 24. Qh3 b) 23. … Qd6 24. g3 Re3 25. Qxa8+ Kh7 26. Ne4 Rxg3+ 27. Nxg3 Qxg3+ 28. Qg2 c) 23. … Qb8 (crafty, defending a8) 24. Qf7+ Kh7 25. Nf3 As I’m material up, if I’ve missed anything in the above, I will look for counter-sacrifices. For example after 1. … Qb8 I could try 1. Qf8+ Qxf8 2. Rxf8+ Rxf8 3. Nxe4 Re8 4. Ng3 Re1+ 5. Nf1 (similar variation after 23. … Qc7 24. Qf7+ …) ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/64 "2012-03-02T16:12:55Z")
The Qh3 move is what I wasn’t seeing, despite how obvious it must seem. Darn. I really thought I had a good chance here. I’m re-evaluating the board. I’ll have a new move for you soon! ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/65 "2012-03-02T16:26:30Z")
Would now be an appropriate time to surrender? There doesn’t seem to be another way for me to avoid going yet another piece behind, at which point the rest of the game would just be for ceremony. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/66 "2012-03-02T16:53:02Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Would now be an appropriate time to surrender? There doesn’t seem to be another way for me to avoid going yet another piece behind, at which point the rest of the game would just be for ceremony. Yes, it would be normal to resign once you see Qh3.\* My king is soon going to be well-defended by pieces and I could beat Kasparov with a full piece ahead. :eek: I think you played well and I trust you enjoyed the game. Chess is fantastically deep and I hope my comments helped. \*After many decades of tournament chess, I’ve literally seen people suddenly realise they were lost - it’s a combination of body language and facial expression. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/67 "2012-03-02T16:54:04Z")
If anyone else would like a training game, please let me know. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/68 "2012-03-02T17:01:47Z")
Thanks for the game, Glee! I’ll be watching with interest if anyone takes you up on your training game offer. ---
**Author:** ![zombywoof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9e8a1a/32.png) [@zombywoof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zombywoof)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/69 "2012-03-02T18:36:51Z")
> [@glee](#): > > If anyone else would like a training game, please let me know. 🙂 I’d like to take you up on your offer! ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/70 "2012-03-02T19:54:06Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Thanks for the game, Glee! I’ll be watching with interest if anyone takes you up on your training game offer. Excellent Game! Thank you, and Thank you Mr. Lee. ---
**Author:** ![iamnotbatman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/858c86/32.png) [@iamnotbatman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamnotbatman)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/71 "2012-03-02T21:29:12Z")
Yes, nice game! I played my computer after: 22. Kxh2 the computer played 22. … Rh4+ And after that I have to say the situation didn’t seem quite so clear. I played from there a couple times and won eventually, but it seemed like there were still some subtle tactics to be avoided by white. ETA: I’m not a great chess player, and neither is the computer on my iPhone, so I don’t necessarily know what I’m talking about 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/72 "2012-03-03T21:19:27Z")
> [@zombywoof](#): > > I’d like to take you up on your offer! Just curious… I searched for a thread, but didn’t see one. Did you start a game? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/73 "2012-03-09T13:49:59Z")
Sorry about the delay folks - I will be starting two new games shortly. Watch this space! ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2012, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/74 "2012-03-13T02:33:32Z")
Now that this game is over (and since the comments thread was kind of derailed), is it okay to discuss some of the moves in it? I’m curious about the moves after 15. Bxf3. I wonder if moving R(a8) to b8 would have been better than what happened. I suppose it might have been better to not take the f3 pawn e.p. in the first place, but as a response, how does it compare with what went down? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/75 "2012-03-13T03:20:22Z")
It might be interesting to have a glee v. the SDMB game–people who want to play against glee are designated at the beginning, and that side’s moves are determined by majority vote. Could be slow but fun. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2012, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/76 "2012-03-13T12:39:33Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > It might be interesting to have a glee v. the SDMB game I once tried to play a blindfold game online, but it turned out badly when I tried to open 1. W$ ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/77 "2012-03-14T00:57:47Z")
> [@panamajack](#): > > Now that this game is over (and since the comments thread was kind of derailed), is it okay to discuss some of the moves in it? > > I’m curious about the moves after 15. Bxf3. I wonder if moving R(a8) to b8 would have been better than what happened. I suppose it might have been better to not take the f3 pawn e.p. in the first place, but as a response, how does it compare with what went down? It’s true that 15. … Bb7 loses a pawn, so most alternatives are better - but it was hard to see that at the time. After 15. Bxf3 Rb8, Black is not threatening 16. … Bxe5 17. dxe5 Qxd1 18. Rxd1 Rxe5 as 19. Bf4 wins. So White is not under pressure to defend the knight on e5. Also the rook on b8 is vulnerable to a later Nc6. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/78 "2012-03-14T01:00:53Z")
> [@iamnotbatman](#): > > Yes, nice game! I played my computer after: > 22. Kxh2 > > the computer played 22. … Rh4+ > > And after that I have to say the situation didn’t seem quite so clear. I played from there a couple times and won eventually, but it seemed like there were still some subtle tactics to be avoided by white. > > ETA: I’m not a great chess player, and neither is the computer on my iPhone, so I don’t necessarily know what I’m talking about 🙂 I think 22. … Ng4+ was better, bringing the Queen and Knight into the attack. After 22. … Rh4+ 23. Kg1 Qb8 (what else?) 24. g3 White is a safe piece ahead. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/79 "2012-03-14T01:02:37Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > Just curious… I searched for a thread, but didn’t see one. Did you start a game? Yes, the new games are at: > **[Chess: Glee v Chessic Sense](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=644649)** > > This is a training game (I’m a retired professional chess coach) and should interest spectators as well. Chessic Sense can: take a move back (if he happens to blunder horribly, I’ll point that out!) ask my advice on his next move ask questions... > **[Chess: Zombywoof v Glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=644647)** > > This is a training game (I’m a retired professional chess coach) and should interest spectators as well. Zombywoof can: take a move back (if he happens to blunder horribly, I’ll point that out!) ask my advice on his next move ask questions about... ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116/80 "2012-03-14T01:03:55Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > It might be interesting to have a glee v. the SDMB game–people who want to play against glee are designated at the beginning, and that side’s moves are determined by majority vote. Could be slow but fun. It’s an interesting idea, but I suspect that the responses would indeed be slow (and probably come down to one or two players doing all the work…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-glee-v-mosier/605116.md?page=3)