# Chess training game between glee and NAF1138 - comments etc **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** chess\ **Created:** [January 31, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289 "2020-01-31T13:26:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/101 "2020-03-24T14:23:26Z")
Sorry for the long delay, have been rather distracted by the coronavirus taking playing havok with my business. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/102 "2020-03-28T20:23:14Z")
No worries - just glad you’re OK! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/103 "2020-03-30T11:53:01Z")
Having looked again at the position, I think White has a crushing attack. :eek: White threatens 29. c6 Q moves 30. Qa6+ Qxa6 31. Nxa6 and 32. Rb8 mate. (Alternatively 29. c6 Q moves 30. d7+ wins a Rook.) This shows how quickly a game can change. A few moves ago Black was holding the position and preparing … g6. Once White could play b4, Black’s position fell apart. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/104 "2020-03-30T13:22:40Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Having looked again at the position, I think White has a crushing attack. :eek: > > White threatens 29. c6 Q moves 30. Qa6+ Qxa6 31. Nxa6 and 32. Rb8 mate. > > (Alternatively 29. c6 Q moves 30. d7+ wins a Rook.) > > This shows how quickly a game can change. A few moves ago Black was holding the position and preparing … g6. > Once White could play b4, Black’s position fell apart. To that end, I saw that b4 would be my undoing several moves before it happened (I think I even posted about it), but seemed helpless to stop it. Looking back, was there anything I could have done differently or was it already a foregone conclusion by the time I spotted it? If it was inevitable…what do I take away from that? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/105 "2020-03-30T20:38:16Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > To that end, I saw that b4 would be my undoing several moves before it happened (I think I even posted about it), but seemed helpless to stop it. Looking back, was there anything I could have done differently or was it already a foregone conclusion by the time I spotted it? If it was inevitable…what do I take away from that? If you saw a threat in advance, you should be pleased with yourself. 🙂 I think it was an interesting game, where I chose a closed variation and you swiftly exchanged one of my best pieces. It took a while, but my experience guided me to put my pieces on good squares (especially the knight on d3 🆒 ) and that meant I got ahead in the race to open up the opposing King. I trust that seeing an experienced player in action was instructive. Do have a look at all my spoiler comments. If you like, I can put the game through a computer to assess the situation at each move… ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2020, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/106 "2020-04-06T10:39:39Z")
As a third party, I’d certainly be interested in any analysis of what Black might have done differently to avoid the situation that ultimately occurred. In particular, I wonder if castling on the kingside (i.e. the same side as White) might have helped, given White had a slight lead in activating pieces? But that white pawn on h5 was always going to be a worry in that case. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/107 "2020-04-08T15:27:32Z")
I hope NAF is OK - I’ve sent him a message. It would be good to actually finish this game. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/108 "2020-04-08T15:46:45Z")
I thought your post #106 amounted to a declaration of victory, and NAF’s reply in post #107 acknowledged that - I had a look myself and was going to suggest Qe4 as Black’s best try (relatively), but rather than exchanging queens White can simply proceed with his attack which will mate in a few moves. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/109 "2020-04-08T22:37:58Z")
Hey, sorry for the long delay. Real life got tricky. I agree that Qe4 is the best move I see. But it’s also mate in just a few moves I’m pretty sure. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/110 "2020-04-09T15:50:56Z")
Yes, you’re both correct - it’s a forced mate after Qe4. (N.B. I didn’t see anything better.) After Qa6+ a) … Kb8 Nc6++ and Qxa7 mate b) … Kd7 Qxa7+ and mate on c7 or e7 c) … Qb7 c6! Qxa6 Nxa6 and mate on b8 I think NAF played well and it was an instructive game. I’ll put the game through computer analysis and post some of that here. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/111 "2020-04-14T02:35:01Z")
Fwiw I would probably have gone with choice C. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/112 "2020-05-04T21:12:24Z")
I would still love to see the computer analysis if you get the chance. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2020, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289/113 "2020-05-05T07:46:21Z")
Me too! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-between-glee-and-naf1138-comments-etc/847289.md?page=5)