# Chess - training game (Glee v SiXSwordS) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301 "2009-05-13T16:13:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/21 "2009-05-14T16:39:25Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If you wouldn’t mind using long notation for my benefit I’d appreciate it. As long as SiXSwordS doesn’t mind… ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/22 "2009-05-14T16:57:21Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Glee SiXSwordS > > 1. e4 > > (I assume you know chess notation. I’m using the standard tournament one, but if you prefer the longer style e.g. e2-e4 I’m happy to switch to that.) I’m familiar with chess notation, but I may have to ask questions to be sure we’re on the same page. You might have to do the same of me since if I have had problems reading my own game notes in the past. I’d like to add spoilered notes so I can look back and remember what I was thinking. I doubt that glimpsing my thoughts would make much difference, but you might like using the same approach to add notes that I won’t look at until after the game. [spoiler]I’m feeling far more intimidated than I thought I would. I’m approaching this as a learning opportunity, but I know that a lot of dopers – including those who aren’t that interested in chess – could beat me easily and I’m self-conscious about exposing my weaknesses. In general, I don’t add a lot to the SDMB… I don’t understand theoretical or standard physics, I don’t have a lot of general educational acumen, I don’t have any specialized training or knowledge… I’ve seen **glee** make this offer to others and I’ve always thought they were missing up a golden opportunity when they took a pass. So, in short, I hope that others on the boards will get something out of watching me get my ass handed to me. Thanks in advance **glee** [/spoiler] That being said, I’m up to my earholes today and I have to be away from my computer so I’ll post a play tonight. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/23 "2009-05-14T17:23:35Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > I’m familiar with chess notation, but I may have to ask questions to be sure we’re on the same page. You might have to do the same of me since if I have had problems reading my own game notes in the past. > > I’d like to add spoilered notes so I can look back and remember what I was thinking. I doubt that glimpsing my thoughts would make much difference, but you might like using the same approach to add notes that I won’t look at until after the game. Yes, do ask if you’re not sure about notation. Let’s use long notation then, since it may help (and a spectator asked for it too). As I’m a professional, my notes can be public. 🆒 Remember you can ask me for advice - against myself! The aim is that you get as much as possible out of this. ``` Glee SiXSwordS ``` 1. e2-e4 ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/24 "2009-05-14T17:36:49Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Yes, do ask if you’re not sure about notation. Let’s use long notation then, since it may help (and a spectator asked for it too). > > As I’m a professional, my notes can be public. 🆒 > Remember you can ask me for advice - against myself! > The aim is that you get as much as possible out of this. > > ``` > Glee SiXSwordS > > ``` > > 1. e2-e4 There’s a chess diagram feature online that might be very useful in order to view the positions. > **[Chess Board Editor - Apronus.com](https://www.apronus.com/chess/pgnviewer/?m=e4)** > > Chess Board Editor; Play Chess Against Computer from any set up position. I think that either player, or any spectator, could click on that link, make additional moves, and then click on the ‘make URL’ button to generate an updated link 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/25 "2009-05-14T17:40:03Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > There’s a chess diagram feature online that might be very useful in order to view the positions. > > [Chess Board Editor - Apronus.com](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wizard.php?m=e4) > > I think that either player, or any spectator, could click on that link, make additional moves, and then click on the ‘make URL’ button to generate an updated link 🙂 Jolly good show, that man! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/26 "2009-05-14T17:43:47Z")
> [@](#): > > In general, I don’t add a lot to the SDMB… I don’t understand theoretical or standard physics, I don’t have a lot of general educational acumen, I don’t have any specialized training or knowledge… It seems to me I’ve seen you ask some good questions, though, which is not to be underrated. Asking good questions is just as much a skill as answering them is. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/27 "2009-05-14T18:02:30Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Jolly good show, that man! 😃 Thanks. I played through a full game, just as a test - with all kinds of stupid play to make it end quicker. There doesn’t seem to be any auto-detection of a checkmate, it just reaches a point where one side is in check and can’t make a legal move to get out of it. TESTING ONLY: [Chess Board Editor - Apronus.com](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wizard.php?m=e4_d6_e5_dxe5_d4_exd4_c3_dxc3_bxc3_Qxd1*_Kxd1_Bh3_gxh3_Nc6_Bh6_gxh6_Ba6_bxa6_c4_Nd4_Nc3_Ne2_Kxe2_Nf6_Rd1_Nd5_Rxd5_Rd8_Rxd8*_Kxd8_Ne4_Rg8_Nd6_cxd6_c5_dxc5_a3_Rxg1_Rxg1_Bg7_Rxg7_Ke8_Rg8*_Kd7_f4_c4_f5_c3_Kd3_c2_Kxc2_f6_h4_e6_fxe6*_Kc7_e7_Kb7_e8Q_Kc7_Qe6_Kb7_Qd6_a5_Kb3_a6_Ka4_f5_Kxa5_Ka7_Qc7)\* ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/28 "2009-05-15T00:11:19Z")
> [@glee](#): > > As I’m a professional, my notes can be public. 🆒 > Remember you can ask me for advice - against myself! > The aim is that you get as much as possible out of this. That would seem to make spoilers redundant so I’ll skip them too. > [@](#): > > ``` > Glee SiXSwordS > > ``` > > 1. e2-e4 1. e2-e4 c7-c8 I think e7-e5 is the classic response. I’m not very familiar with the French Defense. I’ve tried to learn about openings but it hasn’t seemed to help my game except to give me ideas of what I might play. Playing c8 also gives the Q an opening and plays to a center square, though I wouldn’t say I control it. Unlike e5, it does not open up my bishop. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/29 "2009-05-15T00:24:01Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > 1. e2-e4 c7-c8 > > Playing c8 also gives the Q an opening and plays to a center square, though I wouldn’t say I control it. Unlike e5, it does not open up my bishop. Okay, trying to follow along for updating the board link, and c7-c8 does not seem to be legal - that would be moving your Queen’s bishop’s pawn into the bishop. :smack: If you want to move from c7, you can do c6 or c5. ---
**Author:** ![SiXSwordS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@SiXSwordS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiXSwordS)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/30 "2009-05-15T00:42:50Z")
Sorry, I can’t believe I typed that… then I typed it AGAIN. 1. e2 e4 c7-c5 I hope that doesn’t speak of things to come, although you must admit that having a backward moving pawn and a disappearing bishop would indeed help my Q.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/31 "2009-05-15T01:17:33Z")
> [@SiXSwordS](#): > > Sorry, I can’t believe I typed that… then I typed it AGAIN. > > 1. e2 e4 c7-c5 > > I hope that doesn’t speak of things to come, although you must admit that having a backward moving pawn and a disappearing bishop would indeed help my Q.:rolleyes: Alright, much better. New link: [Chess Board Editor - Apronus.com](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wizard.php?m=e4_c5) This is already starting to get interesting. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/32 "2009-05-15T11:13:05Z")
Hmmmm. Taking on a Master using the Sicilian. This should be interesting. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/33 "2009-05-15T12:08:42Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Hmmmm. Taking on a Master using the Sicilian. This should be interesting. 😃 Obviously you haven’t seen my playing style! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/34 "2009-05-15T12:13:32Z")
Glee SiXSwordS 1. e2-e4 c7-c5 2. c2-c3 I want to play d2-d4 to control the centre (and let my bishop on c1 out). But if I play it straightaway, Black plays c5xd4 and I have to waste time bringing my Queen out to recapture. Now I can recapture on d4 with a pawn. SiXSwordS, don’t forget you can ask for advice at any time. Also there are various interesting and entertaining comments in the thread - would you find it easier if these were in another thread? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/35 "2009-05-15T12:13:56Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Obviously you haven’t seen my playing style! 😉 Not much of it, yet. 🙂 Come on, your move. Gonna take that bishop out? Jump a knight? Or maybe show us some d3 action… yes, I’m getting a little too excited at this point. ETA - and of course, you move in a simul-post, haha. Okay, here we go: [Chess Board Editor - Apronus.com](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wizard.php?m=e4_c5_c3) ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/36 "2009-05-15T12:51:53Z")
> [@chrisk](#): > > Not much of it, yet. 🙂 Come on, your move. Gonna take that bishop out? Jump a knight? Or maybe show us some d3 action… yes, I’m getting a little too excited at this point. > > ETA - and of course, you move in a simul-post, haha. Okay, here we go: [Chess Board Editor - Apronus.com](http://www.apronus.com/chess/wizard.php?m=e4_c5_c3) You have much to learn, young Jedi / Grasshopper. “The Master controls events by letting them happen.” ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/37 "2009-05-15T13:01:55Z")
> [@](#): > > You have much to learn, young Jedi / Grasshopper. Certainly I do. Is it permitted for kibitzers to ask specific questions about the tactics of play? I’m curious about your current line of play - or should I wait until **SiXSwordS** has made his response? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/38 "2009-05-15T13:13:55Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Hmmmm. Taking on a Master using the Sicilian. This should be interesting. 😃 I don’t see a Sicilian… ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/39 "2009-05-15T15:02:13Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I don’t see a Sicilian… It’s a Sicilian that is going to morph. Obviously, **glee** wants to take this straight out of the book into something that forces **SiXSwordS** to actually think about his responses. Or maybe **glee** just naturally does this to avoid the Sicilian. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2009, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301/40 "2009-05-15T23:06:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I don’t see a Sicilian… The Sicilian starts 1. e2-e4 c7-c5 It’s very popular becasuse the main line (2. Ng1-f3 and 3. d2-d4) is exciting and gives both sides real chances for a win. However I don’t do that sort of stuff, so I avoid the problem with the steady 2. c2-c3. [QUOTE=chrisk] Is it permitted for kibitzers to ask specific questions about the tactics of play? I’m curious about your current line of play - or should I wait until SiXSwordS has made his response? [/QUOTE] What I suggest is that [comments and questions migrate to this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=517710) (kindly started by DSYoung). And ask away! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chess-training-game-glee-v-sixswords/496301.md?page=3)