That trying to say the problem is “criminal with guns” is an inane position. If I’ve never committed a crime but buy a gun with the intent to commit a crime then I am not a criminal when I buy it.
Maybe we should only let people who won’t have accidents drive a car without a license. Or only people who will have their houses burn down need to buy insurance.
And yet they still have restrictive laws about who can purchase guns and how they are stored and transported.
I believe that socioeconomic status is a bigger factor than race, unfortunately non whites tend to be poorer and the cycle begins. But no if you are saying that race is the determining factor Cougar58 this will get ugly.
Capt
Look up Oslo…they recently had something like 100 rapes in 3 months…and if I recall, they were 100% by Immigrants from Muslim countries.
Not race in this case, but religion or culture?
plenty of dirt poor folks in Appalachia with guns…other then the Hatfields & McCoys, they arent shooting each other every weekend.
Chicago had 47 people gunned down in the inner city in just one weekend alone
honestly, I am no more racist than the FBI - look up their stats…its overwhelming…in fact I am dating someone who has 2 black kids & who live in the Chicago area ( I do not - I live way off in the country on lots of acres.
I travel often to Asian countries…huge cities, bigger than Chicago…Like Seoul…they have huge “ghettos”…as I walked thru such an area, I noticed a huge Korean pear hanging low from a tree out to within easy reach of people walking by…yet for weeks no one stole the pear, even thou many were hungry…I also Jay walked diagonally across the equiv of 5th avenue, and every Korean give me a shameful look / murmur…I also recall watching the TV news in Seoul about a knife robbery / murder - it was the top story for several days…(very rare)
Why aren’t the wretched inner city Koreans killing like inner city people in Chicago / Detroit / Philly? I can assure you, one can walk the poorest neighborhoods in Seoul without a care for safety. And Detroits police just this summer told visitors to stay away.
To be clear, I by no means said you were racist and if you interpreted my statement that way it was not my intention. I was pointing out that painting with a broad brush can be very problematic.
Capt
Fair enough, though it galls me to let such a cornucopia of miscomprehension left untouched. I’ll leave off the hijack.
So?
It it’s own way, it creates a balance of power between those who want more and those who have it, those who have one belief and those who have another, and those who attack and those who defend. I like to think of the 2nd Amendment as the most neutral of all the Amendments because it levels the playing field…but without allowing a way for either side to come out ahead. Without it, we would fall far behind, and with it…we can just break even. To actually come out ahead we need to add something to the table, and it’s that “something” I’m looking for.
It’s a dumb-ass amendment that should be revoked, given the great many senseless deaths that result from it. Being shot tends to take the “life” out of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” Quite simply, it stands in the way of limiting supply, which is a huge part of the problem in addition to the socio-economic issues.
… but one of the reasons this thread was started is that Chicago, in spite of having some of the strictest gun-control rules on the books, has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the country. Plus, people have posted numerous instances in this thread in which countries which have fewer or less restrictive rules than Chicago also have less gun violence (and in some cases, MUCH less).
What I find interesting is the homicide rate in Oakland, CA 22/100,000, while the homicide rate in San Jose, CA is 2.1/100,000. That means that two cities in the same state only 40 miles apart have a homicide rate that varies by a factor of ten. Since both cities are under the same laws, that indicates something other than the laws involved are a major determinant in their homicide rate.
Local laws do little or nothing to limit supply. Chicago has some severe socio-economic problems. It’s the combination that results in the severity of the problem.
thisis interesting in light of what you’re saying.
note that about age 25, gun/nongun murders pretty much level off equal. *not EQUAL but more close than younger ages.
“One of the highest” is a bit of an overstatement. More than NY and LA to be sure, but less than many others including New Orleans, Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Miami, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cleveland … oh and a few others.
Or somethings.
Chicago year on year numbers, once again, have been a consistent drop over 20 years with the first half of this year being a notable exception. Interestingly enough that increase occurred not too long after Chicago’s ban on handguns was ruled unconstitutional. But no, I do not think that the lessening of Chicago’s gun control laws was what caused the spike in murders. Interestingly enough though the national drop in violent crime oer the past 20 years (about half) is correlated with a drop in gun ownership, and the recent Chicago increase with a short term increase in same. Cherry picking data is fun but silly.
Prohibition said exactly the same thing about alcohol, and led to a dumb-ass amendment.
Make a dumb assumption on the SDMB, and you get corrected with facts damnfast. Thank you, and others, for the links-I’ve learned quite a bit.
Yes, but alcohol and guns are hardly analogous.