# Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096 "2012-08-01T19:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/181 "2012-08-02T17:14:53Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > The left royally fucked up the issue starting with Boston Mayor Menino. No, no, **no**. _Menino_ fucked up. What is this left crap? He’s the one who did something stupid. The rest of us have simply made our own opinions known through constitutionally protected means same as Cathy. Come to that, though some folks are happy to generalize abut the theocratic right, most folk are only dealing with Cathy and his company. So far as I’m aware nobody’s suddenly elected to boycott all Christian-run companies based off Cathy’s remarks. Cathy and his company did something a lot of us don’t like. We’re taking Cathy to task as best as we can. Menino did something a lot of us don’t like. Take _him_ to task, not ‘the left’. Neither side is monolithic, although this mass flocking to support CFA when folks don’t really understand what’s going on sure tries to disprove that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/182 "2012-08-02T17:19:02Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Then the powers that be (whoever has the oomph to do it) should come up with a new term. Homophobia is not a very good descriptive term. Given the massive depression and suicide among so many teens with same-sex attraction, neither is “gay.” Etymology-gotcha is a game full of fail. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/183 "2012-08-02T17:19:49Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > No, no, **no**. > > _Menino_ fucked up. I believe I said Menino fucked up. Several times actually. And while I would love to join you in making that distinction, that isn’t how these things work. Whether we like it or not, Menino’s actions are a representation of the left. That is how he is perceived and any amount of “But that’s just what one guy said” isn’t going to change the perception or criticism. That other politicians joined him, only made it worse and more difficult to cut him out as an isolated nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/184 "2012-08-02T17:20:46Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I believe I said Menino fucked up. Several times actually. > And while I would love to join you in making that distinction, that isn’t how these things work. Whether we like it or not, Menino’s actions are a representation of the left. That is how he is perceived and any amount of “But that’s just what one guy said” isn’t going to change the perception or criticism. That other politicians joined him, only made it worse and more difficult to cut him out as an isolated nutjob. So instead of fighting the incorrect perception, you wallow in it. Lovely. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/185 "2012-08-02T17:21:56Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I believe I said Menino fucked up. Several times actually. > And while I would love to join you in making that distinction, that isn’t how these things work. Whether we like it or not, Menino’s actions are a representation of the left. That is how he is perceived and any amount of “But that’s just what one guy said” isn’t going to change the perception or criticism. That other politicians joined him, only made it worse and more difficult to cut him out as an isolated nutjob. Let’s try this: I believe I said **Cathy** fucked up. Several times actually. And while I would love to join you in making that distinction, that isn’t how these things work. Whether we like it or not, **Cathy’s** actions are a representation of the **right**. That is how he is perceived and any amount of “But that’s just what one guy said” isn’t going to change the perception or criticism. That other **christians** joined him, only made it worse and more difficult to cut him out as an isolated nutjob ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/186 "2012-08-02T17:27:31Z")
> [@JLRogers](#): > > Homophobes literally fear homosexuals. I’m not sure how you could be confused by this. It has been very clear to the rest of us for years. 😕 Yes that’s why it’s not descriptive. I know people who disapprove of homosexuality and gay marriage for religious reasons that don’t fear homosexuals. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/187 "2012-08-02T17:28:16Z")
The first Chick-Fil-A is opening in the Bay Area next month, on August 16. In San Jose. It should be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/188 "2012-08-02T17:29:06Z")
It’s also worth making the distinction: Menino threatening to block CFA = a free speech issue. Citizens boycotting CFA = not a free speech issue. So, yes, if you’re angry with Menino, yeah it’s a free speech issue. A lot of us on the left are angry with him for pulling that BS. But if you’re angry about the boycott and claiming that we shouldn’t be boycotting CFA because Cathy has free speech, then you don’t know what you’re talking about. A lot more people are the latter than the former. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/189 "2012-08-02T17:45:25Z")
Menino retracted what he said and admitted it was stupid a day after he said it. > [@](#): > > “I can’t do that. That would be interference to his rights to go there,” Menino said, referring to company president Dan Cathy, who drew the mayor’s wrath by going public with his views against same-sex marriage. > > The mayor added: “I make mistakes all the time. That’s a Menino-ism.” Besides which, I wonder how many in line could have told you the name of the mayor of Boston. This is not a free speech issue. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/190 "2012-08-02T17:47:06Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yes that’s why it’s not descriptive. I know people who disapprove of homosexuality and gay marriage for religious reasons that don’t fear homosexuals. And since I live on the pimple of the ass of the bible belt south, 99.9% of the people I know are opposed to gays. Not a single one of them is anything but afraid of them. Afraid their “lifestyle” will encroach upon society and become completely accepted and tolerated. Afraid that gay people will recruit their children. Afraid that gay sex will be viewed as normal instead of the devious act it is. Afraid SSM will erode the traditional meaning of their heterosexual marriage and lessen it somehow (intangibly, of course, but still!). Afraid that it’s a slap in the face of their God, their bible, their nation who was founded in Christian principles (even if it wasn’t). So, yeah, homophobe is the only way to describe it. Because those people are all about fear. It’s all they know. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/191 "2012-08-02T17:48:14Z")
Also, I applaud 4chan. Never thought I’d say that. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/192 "2012-08-02T17:55:02Z")
So thousands and thousands of people ate at Chick-Fil-A yesterday. OK. I’ve disagreed with their corporate philosophy ever since I found out about it when they moved into my area. And I don’t eat there _every day_. ---
**Author:** ![tim-n-va](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim-n-va/32/3001_2.png) [@tim-n-va](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim-n-va)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/193 "2012-08-02T18:05:15Z")
> [@JLRogers](#): > > Homophobes literally fear homosexuals. I’m not sure how you could be confused by this. It has been very clear to the rest of us for years. 😕 Someone can be confused by that because the Merriam-Webster online dictionary says homphobia is: > [@](#): > > irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals At least one definition is not a literal fear. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/194 "2012-08-02T18:17:04Z")
> [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](#): > > There’s a post originally from 4chan making the rounds on the internet about this whole thing: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/TfR1i.png) > > [spoiler]Eat your chicken. That’s right. Enjoy it. Chow down. Get seconds and eat some more. Savour every bite. But before you swallow, look at it. Get a real good look at that fried bird on bread. Take a moment to really take it in. > > Cuz this is it. Your church leaders failed you. Your politicians ignore you. The media laughs at your demise and mocks you daily. Because you made gay sex your focus. All that insecurity about the life you chose, the company you keep, the future your children will choose. And it comes to this. A chicken sandwich. This is all the power you have left. A fast food sandwich. > > And you’re banking all the power you have left on expressing yourself through an ephemeral media event. In two weeks no one will remember this, how you stood in a line for a sandwich in the hopes your little obsession might be noticed. And then it’s over. > > The future is coming for you, for your family. There is no stopping it. You cannot resist the inevitable, you cannot depend on your church or politicians to do anything but to keep selling you out. All you have left is this sandwich. Same-sex marriage will be a reality any day soon, like gays in the military; the legal wheels are already in motion. Gays in your children’s schools. Gays on television and gays in the church and government. Because nobody with any power actually cares what gays do. Only you.[/spoiler] > [@Equipoise](#): > > That’s so great, and there’s no reason why it should be in spoiler tags. The bigots need to read it. Yes, the politcians certainly have ignored the anti-ssm crowd by making ssm legal everywhere. Oh wait. > [@Bosstone](#): > > No, no, **no**. > > _Menino_ fucked up. What is this left crap? Yet when some idiot on the right says something idiotic this board (mostly) is all “point and laugh at the retarded Republicans”. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/195 "2012-08-02T18:18:19Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Yet when some idiot on the right says something idiotic this board (mostly) is all “point and laugh at the retarded Republicans”. No, just point and laugh at the retarded Republican. It’s only plural because there’s so damn many of them who say something idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/196 "2012-08-02T18:19:45Z")
> [@tim-n-va](#): > > Someone can be confused by that because the Merriam-Webster online dictionary says homphobia is: > > At least one definition is not a literal fear. I don’t even know why we have to keep having this conversation at regular intervals. The definition is clear to anyone that can pull their head far enough out of their ass to read a dictionary. It’s homophobia not homosexualphobia anyway. Wouldn’t a homophobic English teacher be afraid of English teachers like themselves rather then homosexuals? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/197 "2012-08-02T18:23:01Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m sure you would have gladly patronized Lester Maddox’s restaurant back in the 60s…which, oddly enough, was famous for it’s fried chicken, as well. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to to see parallels to this and good old Mr Maddox. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/198 "2012-08-02T18:29:41Z")
_Sincere_ is from a Latin term meaning “without wax”. _Goodbye_ is a contraction of _God be with you_. Since homophobia obviously can only mean an irrational terror of gays, then closing a letter Sincerely yours must mean the person is all out of wax, though if they say Goodbye then clearly they’re religious. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/199 "2012-08-02T18:55:55Z")
And sunrise and sunset would imply the speaker is an idiot who thinks the sun revolves around the Earth. Somebody tell the folks in charge to fix these too. (See if Greg is on duty, he’s a lot easier to work with than Gladys or Farnum.) Until then, let’s use the meaning that every single person here completely understands in its normal context. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/200 "2012-08-02T19:13:00Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > No, no, **no**.Come to that, though some folks are happy to generalize abut the theocratic right, most folk are only dealing with Cathy and his company. So far as I’m aware nobody’s suddenly elected to boycott all Christian-run companies based off Cathy’s remarks. Well, not specifically off Cathy’s remarks, but plenty of people boycott places like Hobby Lobby because of their association with religion. Which is perfectly within the boycotter’s rights of course, no matter how dumb I think that is. (The boycott of CfA makes a lot more sense). > [@Sampiro](#): > > Besides which, I wonder how many in line could have told you the name of the mayor of Boston. Ooh me! I had my picture taken with him years ago at some event at Quicy Market, even. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=11)