# Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096 "2012-08-01T19:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/261 "2012-08-03T13:53:39Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > When the sheriff says “You have a case of a negro woman married to a white man, _a criminal offense in this state_” a group of college kids in the row behind me gasped and made loud “What?” noises. They are not getting a good education, and their college owes them some money back. Does this college not offer history classes? What is this, a barber college? Another generation of ignorance. I’m so sorry, **Sampiro**. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/262 "2012-08-03T14:37:49Z")
> [@Baracus](#): > > The CFA near me was mobbed today when I drove by at about 1:30. At first I thought maybe they were giving away food and thought these people must be morons to wait what appeared to be at least 30 minutes for free food. Then I realized that they were actually willing to sit in line all that time to _pay_ to support poor, poor CFA and its anti-queer stance. :smack: Sigh. CFA does not have an anti-queer stance. CFA sells chicken, period. Now, if you are referring to Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs, he is not anti-queer either. Being in favor of traditional marriage is not being anti-queer. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/263 "2012-08-03T14:49:43Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. CFA does not have an anti-queer stance. CFA sells chicken, period. > > Now, if you are referring to Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs, he is not anti-queer either. Being in favor of traditional marriage is not being anti-queer. Chick Fil-A, the company, donates money to anti-queer organizations. By anti-queer, I mean organizations that try to ‘cure’ gayness, and organizations that claim that gays try to indoctrinate youth and turn your kids gay. ---
**Author:** ![lew\_cody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e274bd/32.png) [@lew\_cody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lew_cody)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/264 "2012-08-03T14:55:13Z")
> [@Sigmagirl](#): > > They are not getting a good education, and their college owes them some money back. Does this college not offer history classes? What is this, a barber college? It may be true that they’re getting a bad education, or already got an inadequate one in high school (during a political conversation over dinner in college once, I was amazed that one girl at my table had never heard of Senator McCarthy). OTOH, it’s one thing to intellectually _know_ that there were once laws against mixed-race marriages in the US, but actually _seeing_ the consequences of those laws played out in a movie can invoke very different emotional reactions. Here are characters–fictional though they may be–who live and breathe in a social milieu where anti-miscegenation laws and other forms of racism are absolutely normal and, in fact, expected. And _Show Boat_ isn’t a work of speculative fiction–there are millions of people who really did (do) hold the sentiments depicted in the film. Chick-Fil-A day is another example of how “knowing” about anti-gay sentiment in the US is something very different than witnessing those sentiments in the form of huge lines for a damn chicken sandwich. And the people lined up weren’t being violent; they weren’t Westboro crazies. Their very banality (if that isn’t too loaded of a word) is what made their protest so chilling. My best wishes, **Sampiro**. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/265 "2012-08-03T14:56:18Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > My ancestors have lived in Alabama since before the Civil War, I grew up in a very rural part of the state, I went to both private and public schools, and I’ve lived in this state for all but 5 years of my life and I have never felt more like an outsider than I did yesterday. It hit me harder than I can impart. It was basically for me and other gays the equivalent of what a non-violent KKK rally is to blacks (though God knows there were many blacks in line for their sandwiches as well, which disgusts me so damned much). > > I have about two or three Christian friends that I am very thankful for because they are the only reason I don’t viscerally despise everybody who self identifies as a Christian. For the first time ever I just the want the fuck out of here, forever, one way or another. The haters can have it. There is no interest in dialogue, the environment is becoming terrifying, and frankly I would my own quietus make if I knew I would be here another two years even. I’ve got enough equity in the house that I think I could sell it reasonably quick so long as I sell it at a break even. Even so, it’s hard because decent paying jobs just are so few and there are so many applicants for every one of them. > > I’ve mentioned my term _Dixiephrenia_ before and I’ve spent god knows how many hours defending southern culture on these boards. I will never defend it again- I’ll defend individual southerners or groups of southerners, but as a whole, this land, and I never thought I’d say this, its people as a general rule, both black and white, both rich and poor, both urban and rural, are collectively a cancer on the United States. So many of them are good individuals, but I just don’t have the time or the energy to sor through them anymore. My own depression over this matter is near suicidal- I fancy it’ll lift a bit as the day becomes less talked about- but the worst part is that I don’t think the people who stood in lines for hours have the intellectual or emotional capacities to know or to care what messages they were sending while at the same time achieving absolutely positively not one single solitary thing. They gained nothing, they spent hours just to demonstrate their hatred, and for this, goddam them all. I feel so sorry for those who for whom family ties or indigence or whatever leaving here is even less of an option than I have. This is one of the frustrating things about being a liberal in Texas. I’m straight, and so many people assume that because I’m straight, I oppose gay rights, so I get a lot of really incredibly bigoted comments (and because I’m white, I get to hear a lot of racist comments, too). Many of the people who make these comments just. don’t. think. The thing is, they might even know and like some individual gays, or blacks, or whatever, but they are willing to spout the hate agenda that they hear on conservative talk shows. Some days, I feel like packing up and moving to another state. I don’t know where. And hell, for the most part, the hate speech isn’t even directed at me. For a region that prides itself on its warmth and hospitality, the South (and sometimes Texas considers itself as being part of the South) can be awfully cold and unwelcoming, if someone doesn’t fit into the proper niche. I hope that the end result of this day is to show complacent people that gay haters are alive and active and are willing to do stupid shit that doesn’t mean anything. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/266 "2012-08-03T15:09:03Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. CFA does not have an anti-queer stance. CFA sells chicken, period. > > Now, if you are referring to Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs, he is not anti-queer either. Being in favor of traditional marriage is not being anti-queer. Deal with it. Yes it is. Deal with it. Nobody is trying to do away with traditional marriage. Last I checked, those in favor of basic civil rights for gay people aren’t trying to prevent men from marrying women. People like Sir-T-Cups (and you, if I had to venture a guess) arent for traditional marriage, they’re against gays having the same rights. It’s disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/267 "2012-08-03T15:13:11Z")
> [@Farmer\_Jane](#): > > Also…if I hadn’t made it clear - I wasn’t talking about the “Let’s go support Chick Fil A!” types (I deleted them from FB), but was trying to address how it appeared (to me) that some of the posters in this thread may be feeling. Like **Sir T-Cups** , for example. He’s actually _not_ an evil asshole. I’ve been busy lately and haven’t followed the thread very much. But thank you for this 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/268 "2012-08-03T15:19:45Z")
Sampiro, I’m truly sorry. Your post is heartbreaking. ComeToTheDarkside, thanks for that link. I’ve avoided posting anything about CfA on my own facebook page, but I shared that link anyway along with a reminder from Romans 14: "Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. " ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/269 "2012-08-03T15:20:59Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > I disagree with **Sampiro** on one point: this was largely a Southern thing only because most of the CFAs are down here. If CFA had already established itself in Boston when Mr. Cathy made his remarks, Boston’s CFAs would have been jammed with the same Irish Catholic demographic that had rioted against school busing in the 1970’s, long after that issue had largely been settled in the South That’s right. From what I understand, every Chick-fil-A location in every state was jammed with customers Wednesday. Whatever this is, it’s not just a Southern thing. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/270 "2012-08-03T15:21:44Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. CFA does not have an anti-queer stance. CFA sells chicken, period. Yes it does. They sell chicken and then they donate the proceeds to anti-queer organizations. > [@](#): > > Now, if you are referring to Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs, he is not anti-queer either. Being in favor of traditional marriage is not being anti-queer. Deal with it. Yes it is. If you want a traditional marriage, go have one. Trying to stop gays from being able to marry is anti-queer, bigoted, and frankly disgusting. I am ashamed of you. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/271 "2012-08-03T15:23:23Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Chick Fil-A, the company, donates money to anti-queer organizations. By anti-queer, I mean organizations that try to ‘cure’ gayness, and organizations that claim that gays try to indoctrinate youth and turn your kids gay. It should also be noted that one of the groups that CFA donates money to was lobbying the US Congress not to condemn the Ugandan Kill-The-Gay-Away law. So, yes, **Clothy** , you’re wrong again. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/272 "2012-08-03T15:32:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. CFA does not have an anti-queer stance. CFA sells chicken, period. > > Now, if you are referring to Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs, he is not anti-queer either. Being in favor of traditional marriage is not being anti-queer. Deal with it. Chik-Fil-A the company is privately held, so in this case, the the Cathy family is the company. If they were a publicly held corporation, I don’t think that Cathy would have made the statements that he made. And as others noted, the company is the one making the donations that it makes. I haven’t eaten there is twelve years, and I won’t eat there again. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/273 "2012-08-03T16:26:25Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. CFA does not have an anti-queer stance. CFA sells chicken, period. > > Now, if you are referring to Dan Cathy’s personal beliefs, he is not anti-queer either. Being in favor of traditional marriage is not being anti-queer. Deal with it. I beg you, please read the **Sampiro** post people have been commenting on above. Beliefs like the ones you express above are part of the problem. People who believe like YOU are the reason he’s suffering. Is that really what you want to do? Is that really the kind of legacy you want to leave for future generations? I really hope it’s not. I want to believe it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/274 "2012-08-03T16:46:34Z")
> [@lew\_cody](#): > > OTOH, it’s one thing to intellectually _know_ that there were once laws against mixed-race marriages in the US, but actually _seeing_ the consequences of those laws played out in a movie can invoke very different emotional reactions. Here are characters–fictional though they may be–who live and breathe in a social milieu where anti-miscegenation laws and other forms of racism are absolutely normal and, in fact, expected. And _Show Boat_ isn’t a work of speculative fiction–there are millions of people who really did (do) hold the sentiments depicted in the film. Yes, I believe this. And I’ll choose to believe the gasps were of disgust and “oh no you _didn’t!_” outrage rather than astonishment at learning of this new development in civil rights disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/275 "2012-08-03T17:39:36Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Trying to stop gays from being able to marry is anti-queer, bigoted, and frankly disgusting. I am ashamed of you. You must be new to **Clothy** ’s posts to be surprised that he is anti-gay. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/276 "2012-08-03T17:42:22Z")
**Sampiro** , you’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the [del]new West[/del] old South. You know… morons. Doesn’t help, does it? I am so sorry that you are hurt by this. I’m downright depressed about it myself, and as they say, I have no skin in the game. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/277 "2012-08-03T17:43:42Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > You must be new to **Clothy** ’s posts to be surprised that he is anti-gay. The amazing thing (to me) is that he can’t even blame it on “the Bible says” like all the other phobes do. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/278 "2012-08-03T17:49:20Z")
As a minor note, if I’m ever in the south-east U.S. again (the last time was 1997), I expect I’ll buy something at CfA just out of curiosity. And I’ll be sure to leave a mess in the bathroom, so they don’t profit off me. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/279 "2012-08-03T18:08:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > As a minor note, if I’m ever in the south-east U.S. again (the last time was 1997), I expect I’ll buy something at CfA just out of curiosity. > > And I’ll be sure to leave a mess in the bathroom, so they don’t profit off me. First, CFA is not just in the SE, there is probably a location closer to you. Secondly, are you gonna beat gay people up just to find out what it’s like too? If you’re that curious about what it tastes like, why not get the recipe and try making a version at home. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/280 "2012-08-03T18:17:19Z")
I dunno how similar it is, but I tried the marinating in pickle juice before frying last night. I have an easier time turning down sex than I did saving the last piece for lunch today. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=15)