# Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096 "2012-08-01T19:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/361 "2012-08-04T23:36:07Z")
Rarely do I find such offensive rhetoric spewed out here. You sir, **Martin Hyde** , do a disservice to all adult H. sapiens. And, I for one, abhor what you have stated and will contest it in my life until my last breath. Fie, blackguard, fie! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/362 "2012-08-04T23:37:10Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > No, but history is telling. In almost every culture historically homosexuals have been marginalized, persecuted (violently sometimes), or etc. Even in societies that were mostly open to regularly practiced gay sex, people that didn’t go ahead and bang a woman at least enough times to produce children would be ostracized, and even in places where gay sex was somewhat acceptable it wasn’t universally so and excessive effeminate behavior by men would be ostracized. Would you use a similar argument to promote a return to the owning of slaves? It’s been practiced in almost every culture, you know. Historically, I mean. ETA: Including yours. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/363 "2012-08-04T23:38:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Simple. He hates gay people, and wants everyone else to feel the same way he does. But he’s too stupid to realize it just makes us hate him. > > This isn’t the first time he’s said this shit. I had him on my ignore list for a while, but he’s surprisingly capable of actual thought for a monkey without a soul. > > Now let’s see some fornicators tell me that I think everyone should just get along. This is pathetic in its immaturity. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/364 "2012-08-04T23:39:22Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > There’s good reasons to me that fat people, if obese at least, would be considered disgusting. And what does it tell us about heterosexuality? What conclusions should we draw from this regarding heterosexuality? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/365 "2012-08-04T23:39:55Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Would you use a similar argument to promote a return to the owning of slaves? It’s been practiced in almost every culture, you know. Historically, I mean. I’m not promoting anything. For example I’ve said I’m fine with same sex marriage, nor do I think people should be stoned in the streets. I’m simply say it appears that human cultures naturally tend to be disgusted by homosexuals, and that’s really the source of anti-gay sentiment, not Christianity. Christianity is just a product of culture 2000+ years ago, the religious aspect can give people some sort of respectability and feeling that they are righteous in their natural disgust, but it’s not the source of that disgust. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/366 "2012-08-04T23:40:06Z")
I guess it’s too much to hope for a thread remaining generally on the topic of the popular reaction to the CfA controversy, rather than becoming a scene of generalized ranting about homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/367 "2012-08-04T23:40:55Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > And what does it tell us about heterosexuality? What conclusions should we draw from this regarding heterosexuality? Nothing, because the disgust is about the person being fat, not about their being heterosexual. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/368 "2012-08-04T23:41:58Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I guess it’s too much to hope for a thread remaining generally on the topic of the popular reaction to the CfA controversy, rather than becoming a scene of generalized ranting about homosexuality. Probably, from what I saw before I posted it was just a thread to call people who eat Chick-fil-A bigots over and over again. I guess I can see where wanting to do anything other than that somehow ruins this thread which was “just to talk about popular reactions.” I read over 6 straight pages of people foaming at the mouth about the horrible bigots who eat at Chick-fil-A, and it’s unreasonable for someone to respond to that? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/369 "2012-08-04T23:43:16Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not promoting anything. I didn’t say you were, I asked if you would. It’s been practiced throughout history, and from your deference to history I would assume you would support it on those grounds. If you wouldn’t, then you admit history doesn’t matter and your conclusions about homosexuality that you draw from history are rendered inoperative. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/370 "2012-08-04T23:46:31Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I didn’t say you were, I asked if you would. It’s been practiced throughout history, and from your deference to history I would assume you would support it on those grounds. If you wouldn’t, then you admit history doesn’t matter and your conclusions about homosexuality that you draw from history are rendered inoperative. You’re drawing inappropriate conclusions. I can conclude from history that some men will naturally be inclined to rape women. That doesn’t mean I am promoting rape, just that I’m noting a natural inclination that some people have. From what I gather you brought up slavery because you seem to think if I believe it naturally develops in the history of human beings I would promote it, but that’s not the case. When I noted that people were anti-gay because they are disgusted by gays, I wasn’t somehow saying “and history justifies that disgust” I’m just saying that disgust is there. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/371 "2012-08-04T23:47:54Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Nothing, because the disgust is about the person being fat, not about their being heterosexual. What do you think the reaction of your 17-25 year old straight males would be to hardcore gay _female_ porn. What can we conclude about homosexuality from that? What if you show it to some 17-25 year old straight females and they say “yuck”? What can we conclude then? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/372 "2012-08-04T23:52:13Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > What do you think the reaction of your 17-25 year old straight males would be to hardcore gay _female_ porn. What can we conclude about homosexuality from that? What if you show it to some 17-25 year old straight females and they say “yuck”? What can we conclude then? I’m not making conclusions from anything I’ve said, just pointing out things that I assert are true and you don’t really seem to have any counter point. I’m not concluding anything about the fact that people are disgusted by gay porn, other than that they **are disgusted**. I only conclude this disgust must arise naturally because it is a sort of disgust seen the world over and throughout history (of course to gay sex in general, in history we would not have had much in the form of pornography, at least that would compare to modern porn films.) ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/373 "2012-08-04T23:53:24Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Probably, from what I saw before I posted it was just a thread to call people who eat Chick-fil-A bigots over and over again. I guess I can see where wanting to do anything other than that somehow ruins this thread which was “just to talk about popular reactions.” I read over 6 straight pages of people foaming at the mouth about the horrible bigots who eat at Chick-fil-A, and it’s unreasonable for someone to respond to that? Not at all, in the context of _those people_. But both your recent posts, and all those responding to them, have left that subject behind, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/374 "2012-08-04T23:56:30Z")
```auto ``` > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > You’re drawing inappropriate conclusions. > > I can conclude from history that some men will naturally be inclined to rape women. That doesn’t mean I am promoting rape, just that I’m noting a natural inclination that some people have. This historical inclination towards rape doesn’t inform our attitudes towards it today, why should historical treatment of homosexuals (or straight women, come to think of it) be held in any higher regard, or as proof of anything? If it tells us something about homosexuality, what? If it doesn’t, why bring it up? > [@](#): > > From what I gather you brought up slavery because you seem to think if I believe it naturally develops in the history of human beings I would promote it, but that’s not the case. > > When I noted that people were anti-gay because they are disgusted by gays, I wasn’t somehow saying “and history justifies that disgust” I’m just saying that disgust is there. To what end? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/375 "2012-08-05T00:05:25Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > ```auto > > ``` > > This historical inclination towards rape doesn’t inform our attitudes towards it today, why should historical treatment of homosexuals (or straight women, come to think of it) be held in any higher regard, or as proof of anything? If it tells us something about homosexuality, what? If it doesn’t, why bring it up? > > To what end? I’m fine discussing anything directly related to Chick-fil-A and how stupid the outrage over it is, but I think **Peremensoe** is correct that when we aren’t even talking about that at all it isn’t related and shouldn’t be discussed here. A minor point of my initial post in this thread was to say, in response to all the people bashing religion for this, that disgust for homosexuality is not a product of religion but rather that religious stances on homosexuality were part of the cultures that invented those religions. The rest of it is a different discussion, and not an interesting one if you just want to ask a bunch of logically fallacious questions over and over again. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/376 "2012-08-05T00:11:47Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Probably, from what I saw before I posted it was just a thread to call people who eat Chick-fil-A bigots over and over again. Really? The title of this thread is “Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day”. It was posted on 8/1/2012, coincidentally the day of the Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day supported by Southern ex-governor Mike Huckabee. The posts from the beginning are all about what was happening at this chain on this specific day. The thread is and has always been about the people who showed up in droves on that particular day, not about people who shop there on a regular basis. That topic is interesting and rebuttals require thoughtful responses. Please try to provide one. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/377 "2012-08-05T00:16:10Z")
I might accept your premise if I could get people like Miller and Sampiro to say “someone who eats at Chick-fil-A on another day of the week isn’t necessarily bigoted.” I’d be pleasantly surprised if they’d concede that. However, you can show support for a company that you feel is being unfairly targeted without being a bigot. You don’t even have to support Dan Cathy’s statements to support the chain and say “I’m still going to be buying food here.” I find it strange the SDMB thinks so highly of itself intellectually but almost everyone here believes in a black and white world, which is a hallmark way of thinking for dumb people. It’s literally inconceivable to most of you that anyone could have any reason to be in line to get a chicken sandwich other than bigotry. Some people may have even gone to Chick-fil-A that day because they were hungry. I know at least one news article I read, an old man went in and found out what was going on and thought maybe it meant there was free food…so he’s at least one person who went in with no idea what was up. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/378 "2012-08-05T00:51:40Z")
Ah, screw it. Moved MPSIMS --\>GD. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/379 "2012-08-05T00:53:23Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Bitching about the south being nothing but a bunch of bassakwards gay haters because we have more of them than a state that has just enough to pass gay friendly laws is like a white guy asking a black person “what’s wrong with “you people”?” when it comes to crime, education, poverty, overall income, drug use, single parent families… I honestly don’t understand what parallel you are trying to draw here. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/380 "2012-08-05T00:59:23Z")
Well, honestly I don’t know what else to tell you people. You (and a handful of other people apparently) can’t tell the difference between saying “this group statistically sucks a bit more than that other group” and “that whole group pretty much sucks and this other group is pretty much golden even though the differences are measured in 10s of a percent”. Dayum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=20)