# Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096 "2012-08-01T19:42:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/141 "2012-08-02T02:58:54Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Just out of curiosity for those who oppose SSM, how does it feel being on the wrong side of history? Because no matter how much you rail against or try to prevent this, it’s going to happen. So, what does that make you think? On another board where I’m having a very similar argument, there’s a poster claiming that it’s a sign of the End Times, a turning away from “true Christianity” that’s prophesied in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/142 "2012-08-02T03:00:40Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Doesn’t matter to me. Since you’ve just provided an example, I have to respond by quoting this from just upthread: > [@Miller](#): > > And that’s the difference in this debate between gay people and straight people. If the issue goes a way you disagree with, you can shrug your shoulders and go on about your life. If it goes a way we disagree with, we can’t do that, because the issue is literally, “Should gay people be allowed to live their lives?” > > That’s what makes the attempts to draw an equivalence between how gay people react to things like CFA’s position, and how bigots react to it. The people on your side of the debate have absolutely no skin in this game. No matter how the debate turns out, it will literally have no effect at all on your life. The repercussions for gay people, on the other hand, are huge. In some case, literally life or death. I know people who are currently dead, who would otherwise be alive if they’d been able to get on their partner’s life insurance policy. So, yeah, gay people are a lot more passionate about not being treated like shit, than the religious right is about being allowed to treat gay people like shit. Big fucking surprise there. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/143 "2012-08-02T03:05:54Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > So I think we should call it by another name. I vote for “mawwiage.” ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/144 "2012-08-02T03:07:34Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I vote for “mawwiage.” I do think Inigo and Fezzik make a cute couple. ---
**Author:** ![Mrs.Cake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2acd7d/32.png) [@Mrs.Cake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mrs.Cake)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/145 "2012-08-02T03:16:12Z")
Screw it, let’s throw out the word"marriage" altogether. As an atheist married to a pagan and childless by choice, I hereby suggest the State now issue consenting adults a License to Fuck. Two people who get one are called Fuckers, and of couse, anyone is free to go to their religious guru/shaman/priest/whatever with their official License to Fuck and in a solemn ceremony become Religious Fuckers. There, semantics all taken care of. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/146 "2012-08-02T03:25:03Z")
I can see it now: A couple is having a romantic dinner in a nice restaurant. He’s got the ring in his pocket and the time is right. He kneels down before his beloved and asks the question, “Will you Fuck me?” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/147 "2012-08-02T03:25:26Z")
> [@Mrs.Cake](#): > > their religious guru/shaman/priest/whatever Fuckmonger. As long as we are changing names, we might as well be consistent. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/148 "2012-08-02T03:37:01Z")
Nicely stated. I too would prefer some sort of civil union for Gays. Marriage is a traditional religious institution and should be respected as such. Basic rights such as visiting at the hospital, insurance, wills and so forth are very important. I understand the need for civil unions. That does not mean in any way that I’m against the gay movement. Sir T Cups states quite well a moderate position that I fully agree with. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > It shouldn’t. > > The beauty of it being a republic is that I can be overruled by the populous as they so deem. I can think and vote one way, you and think and vote another way, and the majority rules. > > There is a big difference in me posting here saying “I think marriage is between a man and a woman and a same sex union should be a different title”, and standing on the street corner with a “God Hates Fags” sign. > > Do I think God hates gay people? Not at all. Do I think gays are going to hell? Nope. If I’m standing on a street corner and a gay couple is being beaten by thugs am I going to jump in and intervene with my boxknife in my pocket? Hell yes. > > I have an opinion on the subject and that’s that. I’m not even that adamant about the opinion that I argue with people and make notes about developments, it’s just the opinion I have. It’s the answer to a question is all it is with me. > > So if some type of SSM act passes and its nationally recognized am I going to be pissed, cry, or speak out against it? Nope. I’m gonna shrug my shoulders and say “well it’s not how I would have done it but whatever” and go about my life. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/149 "2012-08-02T03:43:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Nicely stated. I too would prefer some sort of civil union for Gays. Marriage is a traditional religious institution and should be respected as such. Basic rights such as visiting at the hospital, insurance, wills and so forth are very important. I understand the need for civil unions. > > That does not mean in any way that I’m against the gay movement. Sir T Cups states quite well a moderate position that I fully agree with. Marriage has a very long tradition as a legal institution as well. Why should us non-religious people give up the term to religion? They don’t deserve a monopoly on the term. Really the only reason to give up the term Marriage is to try and pacify religious bigots who aren’t too keen on gays having civil unions either. ---
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/150 "2012-08-02T03:48:49Z")
I went, ate the hell outta some chicken and I’m gonna do it again. I refuse to be told where and when I can spend my own money and if people want to judge me because of where I shop, fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/151 "2012-08-02T03:50:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Nicely stated. I too would prefer some sort of civil union for Gays. Marriage is a traditional religious institution and should be respected as such. Basic rights such as visiting at the hospital, insurance, wills and so forth are very important. I understand the need for civil unions. The only “need” for civil unions is to create a separate, inferior ripoff of marriage that same sex couples can be relegated to. Thereby rubbing it in their face that they aren’t considered good enough for real marriage, and writing discrimination into law. Nor will a civil union be the equivalent of a real marriage in the foreseeable future. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/152 "2012-08-02T03:55:43Z")
Some religions allow gays to marry. Why do the religions that don’t get to set the policy? Also, anyone who thinks all opinions are equal probably has a very poor imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/153 "2012-08-02T03:57:22Z")
> [@PandaBear77](#): > > I went, ate the hell outta some chicken and I’m gonna do it again. I refuse to be told where and when I can spend my own money and if people want to judge me because of where I shop, fuck 'em. Nobody is telling you where to spend your damn money, but yes, you are being judged as a homophobe. Why do pro-CFA people think this a free speech issue? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/154 "2012-08-02T04:02:10Z")
> [@Invisible\_Chimp](#): > > Nobody is telling you where to spend your damn money, but yes, you are being judged as a homophobe. Why do pro-CFA people think this a free speech issue? Because they can run miles on a Fox news soundbite? Can someone link to the causes chicken coin goes to support? Linking from my phone is hit or miss. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/155 "2012-08-02T04:04:50Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > You’re assuming Chick-fil-A is losing a significant amount of business from people boycotting. Admittedly I know a lot of people who are claiming they are boycotting but I don’t know if they generally went their to eat in the first place. I am in fact assuming that they’re losing some business, and that the problem will get worse rather than better, because this dramatic event will make it impossible for them to hope the controversy will cool down. But I didn’t make any strenuous claims that this was the case, and I hope I implied to anybody who had relevant facts that I was prepared to be enlightened. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/156 "2012-08-02T04:08:06Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Because they can run miles on a Fox news soundbite? Can someone link to the causes chicken coin goes to support? Linking from my phone is hit or miss. [http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001](http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001) ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/157 "2012-08-02T04:10:44Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > [http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001](http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001) Thank you. Couple of those are chilling. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/158 "2012-08-02T04:14:40Z")
[QUOTE=jtgain] That being said, “for no good reason” is a matter of opinion. I don’t think that there is any good reason that the law requires me to wear a seat belt in my own car when I have my own health insurance with money in the bank to pay for any excess charges. [/QUOTE] You have enough money to last you for the rest of your life if you are an invalid? Really? You’re absolutely positive of that? Is there nobody anywhere who would mourn for you if you were killed for not wearing an accident? Or do you just say ‘to hell with them, my life to live’? But… this is only for you. Not for poor people. The poor should have different laws, which is something you really honestly think that Jesus would agree to as well. Okay. You’re nothing if not fascinating. [QUOTE=jtgain] You say homosexuality is inherent. We can disagree over what is inherent. Child molesters certainly have an inherent propensity. [/QUOTE] I’m curious: do you view homosexuals are any less or more harmful to society than child molesters? Christianity is, in 100% of all cases where adults are concerned a choice, and yet it is a fully protected group. As far as our ability to disagree over what is inherent, certainly we can, but, [QUOTE=Labrador Deceiver] You seem to be laboring under the delusion that all opinions are equally reasonable. [/QUOTE] I can point you to a mountain of studies from objective researchers that states homosexuality is inherent. Hardly any studies exist saying otherwise, and the main one that did, the one that was most held up by the pray-the-gay-away-groups, was recently [retracted by its author](http://www.npr.org/2012/05/21/153213796/spitzers-apology-changes-ex-gay-debate). Excluding that study and those emanating from Christian Research Institute (which is not taken seriously by anybody outside of the Christian far-right [a concise [cite](http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html) but I can give you as many as you would like by the American Pyschological Association and numerous other organizations and universities and you could give me none citing the validity of their findings from objective non-agenda driven organizations), what is your evidence of its non-inherence? [QUOTE=jtgain] We could debate on how they affect or not affect other people (never mind that affecting other people has never been a standard of law) [/QUOTE] Actually I think it’s rather major standard of law, the “Your right to throw a punch ends where my face begins” standard. But, I’m not a lawyer. Let’s call in a lawyer. I don’t think Bricker can remotely be called an apologist for left wing causes and I trust his integrity in the matter completely, so in hopes he’s doing a vanity search let’s page him: Paging BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER BRICKER\* Or, failing Bricker’s appearance, I’ll ask another lawyer: Does the effect an action has on other people affect the validity of a law? [QUOTE=jtgain] Or even worse, “You are a bigot, debate over.” [/QUOTE] To me it’s more “you’re irrational, debate not worth continuing”. If I wanted your right to drive a car taken away because my imaginary pet wookie Bugu-chuck told me that it was immoral for you to do so, you’d think me insane. If I had tens of millions of people who also believed in the words of Bugu-chuck, it wouldn’t make you think any of them less insane. You seek to change the law of a secular land in order to force it to reflect some- but not all, and with no logic as to which- alleged teachings that are 1- From a supernatural being you have never seen 2- As reported by men who have been dead for thousands of years and whose names are mostly unknown 3- Were recording hundreds of years after the fact in a language you cannot read 4- Said recordings transcribed again and again and again and again and again over many centuries, with no original writings still in existence 5- Sometimes into ANOTHER language that you cannot read 6- Then translated over thousands of years into a variety of languages and dialects that you do not speak before finally landing in your lap where 7- In spite of the fact that it is highly specific, could in fact scarcely be more so, to a particular group of people in a particular time and place you know that it’s flawless and, in spite of the fact that BILLIONS of people believe in things from completely different invisible beings tell them, only yours is true in spite of any hard evidence to the contrary. Why is your invisible friend better than my wookie? \*(Hmmm- first time I ever noticed you can sing that to the tune of wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle- hey look at that lawyer) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/159 "2012-08-02T04:31:28Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Why is your invisible friend better than my wookie? Because Wookies pull your arms off, naturally…maybe that why God hasn’t pulled off obvious miracles since antiquity. Your Wookie pulled his arms off and now he’s stuck trying to do miracles with his lips. He should’ve let the Wookie win. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096/160 "2012-08-02T04:38:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > I don’t know. Seems to me that in the long term this is bad for Chick-fil-a. This guarantees that the stigma will not go away, but their idealogically motivated customers won’t be lining up like this every day. I can tell you that I have never eaten at Chick-Fil-A. Mostly cuz I like burger places and when I get to eat fast food once in a long while I go for Wendy’s. But my wife has been bugging me about eating chicken at those occasions, and from this discussion of Chick-Fil-A lately I saw that their food is actually pretty good. So my next outing to fast food place will be to Chick-Fil-A. And if I like it, they may displace Wendy’s. Any advertising is good advertising, as long as they spell your name right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chick-fil-a-appreciation-day/630096.md?page=9)