# Chicken: partly raw, partly cooked? (smoked chicken) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 3, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888 "2008-11-03T17:21:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888/1 "2008-11-03T17:21:15Z")
I smoked a chicken on the grill yesterday. Set the “remote control” thermometer to let me know when the bird 175 degrees. That happened after about 5.5 hours. When that happened, I stuck in a regular thermometer _and_ an instant-read thermometer into the breast. They were borderline. So I let it go another 15ish minutes. At that point, all three thermometers insisted the breast was 180+ degrees, and the little plastic popup thingy had popped also, so we brought the bird inside. Carved the breast. Juicy, looked cooked inside, outside layer was slightly pink but that’s to be expected with smoked meat. Carved the legs. One leg bone came completely out of the meat with a gentle tug, which is usually a good thing. But the joints, when I tried pulling them apart, looked _bloody_. And some of the juices inside the cavity of the bird were red when I tilted it to let them run out. The meat itself looked cooked enough but I wasn’t quite ready to risk eating it. So we stuck the rest of the bird in the oven for a half hour… and ate the breast meat anyway. Nobody’s throwing up or even feeling “off”, so clearly that was done enough. Could we have eaten the dark meat? Anyone ever seen the juices still a bit red, and bloody joints, while the bird was really cooked and safe to eat? ---
**Author:** ![Carson\_O\_Genic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Carson\_O\_Genic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carson_O_Genic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888/2 "2008-11-03T17:47:16Z")
I see it a lot when I smoke/slow cook chicken. It is especially prevalent with young birds. We’ve not gotten ill, either. Trust your thermometers. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lichtman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeff_lichtman/32/1531_2.png) [@Jeff\_Lichtman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lichtman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888/3 "2008-11-03T19:17:49Z")
Salmonella is killed at about 140 F. If any part of the bird was up to 180, then all of it was over 140 (especially considering that it was slow-cooked, which causes a very even temperature distribution). You’re safe. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888/4 "2008-11-03T19:52:25Z")
It is a bit disconcerting to eat chicken like that, but as long as you trust your thermometers, you’ll be fine. I notice this also when I cook beer can chicken. the meat is so moist, it appears not done. I really don’t care for the texture either. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888/5 "2008-11-03T20:22:39Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. What color is safely cooked poultry? > Safely cooked poultry can vary in color from white to pink to tan. For safety when cooking poultry, use a food thermometer to check the internal temperature. Poultry should reach a safe minimum internal temperature of 165 °F throughout the product. For a whole chicken or turkey, check the internal temperature in the innermost part of the thigh and wing and the thickest part of the breast. All the meat-including any that remains pink—is safe to eat as soon as all parts reach at least 165 °F. > > 2. Why is some cooked poultry pink? > Chemical changes occur during cooking. Oven gases in a heated gas or electric oven react chemically with hemoglobin in the meat tissues to give it a pink tinge. Often meat of younger birds shows the most pink because their thinner skins permit oven gases to reach the flesh. Older animals have a fat layer under their skin, giving the flesh added protection from the gases. Older poultry may be pink in spots where fat is absent from the skin. Also, nitrates and nitrites, which are often used as preservatives or may occur naturally in the feed or water supply used, can cause a pink color. > > 3. If fully cooked smoked poultry is pink, is it safe? > Poultry grilled or smoked outdoors can be pink, even when all parts have attained temperatures well above 165 °F. There may be a pink-colored rim about one-half inch wide around the outside of the cooked product. Commercially prepared, smoked poultry is usually pink because it is prepared with natural smoke and liquid smoke flavor. From [this](http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Color_of_Meat_&_Poultry/index.asp) USDA fact sheet. CMC +fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chicken-partly-raw-partly-cooked-smoked-chicken/470888/6 "2008-11-04T00:34:25Z")
Thanks, all - I guess we’ll eat the rest of that bird tonight (well we would have anyway, as it got cooked some more). crowmanyclouds - interesting links. I didn’t know the meat could still be pink after cooking in an electric or gas oven. I knew about the pink outside when smoked, so I wasn’t surprised by that part. It was just those juices, when all the websites that tell you what to look for, say “juices run clear” and there were juices that weren’t clear. It’s also funny to find out that numerous sites list different temperatures (165, 175, 180) as done-ness. I tend toward overcooking anything, I fear. Just paranoid I guess. May be time to splurge on some new thermometers, ones that I can calibrate by dipping in boiling water, so I have greater confidence in what they’re saying.