# Chief Pendant. Go to hell you retarded racist. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794 "2010-06-19T18:40:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/21 "2010-06-20T00:13:57Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Just awhile ago there was this idiot who was trying to fucking REDEFINE RACISM just so that no one could call him out as a racist **when he brings up and defends race theory!** [Hey. that idiot was **Rand Rover**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12392063&postcount=27). I knew that moniker seemed familiar. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/22 "2010-06-20T00:14:17Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > How the fuck am I? You have to ask? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/23 "2010-06-20T00:16:09Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > You have to ask? Enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/24 "2010-06-20T00:24:28Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > [Hey. that idiot was **Rand Rover**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12392063&postcount=27). I knew that moniker seemed familiar. You could have meaningfully participated in that thread. But it’s much easier to just yell and flail like a complete idiot (more fun, too). So, carry on with yer flailing. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/25 "2010-06-20T00:29:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You could have meaningfully participated in that thread. But it’s much easier to just yell and flail like a complete idiot (more fun, too). So, carry on with yer flailing. I [probably contributed more in these](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12407942&postcount=69) [two posts then you have ever did](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12416947&postcount=87) on this message board. But of course I’m no **tomndebb** ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/26 "2010-06-20T00:36:23Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > I dont understand this racist-blame game, seem a little bit infantile > > Would it be racist to say that african-americans in general are better in particular sports compared to other ethnic groups? > > Or is there no such thing as ethnic differences? Have you had any success in [making people your Charlie Brown](http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/01/dont_be_anybodys_charlie_brown.php) yet? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/27 "2010-06-20T00:44:56Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I [probably contributed more in these](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12407942&postcount=69) [two posts then you have ever did](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12416947&postcount=87) on this message board. > > But of course I’m no **tomndebb** Right, it’s the ol’ genetic diversity song and dance. It’s the position that just because something can’t be defined with absolute precision then it’s a useless concept that shouldn’t be considered at all. In other words, fairly meaningless stuff. For example, I’m sure you aware that the concepts of a “male” and a “female” among humans is not absolutely set in stone. There are different biological definitions. A given individual could be male under some measures and female under others. None of this means that it is useless to study males and females or that people who speak in terms of humans being male or female are sexists. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/28 "2010-06-20T01:38:39Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > I recommend focusing less on what meets your definition of “racist” and focusing instead on data. > > One of the traps I see folks falling into is assuming that ascribing a view to racism makes that view incorrect. There is no _a priori_ plan of Nature to make us all equal, and the idea that it’s horrible to suggest we are not equal, is a social construct. It’s not some sort of litmus test for the legitimacy of an idea. > > It’s data that makes views incorrect; not labels. > > PS: I wish I could have my best people give you a big hug. Seems like you could use one right now. > > PPS: If I had it to do again, I’d be Chief Pendant. Seems like an upgrade, doesn’t it? You want me to feel good? Stop passing off your racist opinion/assertions/assumptions as fact. Yeah, that’ll make me feel real fucking good. ETA: Oh and start reading my damn citations. I’m sick and tired of you asking the same questions and playing the same games. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/29 "2010-06-20T01:41:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Right, it’s the ol’ genetic diversity song and dance. It’s the position that just because something can’t be defined with absolute precision then it’s a useless concept that shouldn’t be considered at all. In other words, fairly meaningless stuff. > > For example, I’m sure you aware that the concepts of a “male” and a “female” among humans is not absolutely set in stone. There are different biological definitions. A given individual could be male under some measures and female under others. None of this means that it is useless to study males and females or that people who speak in terms of humans being male or female are sexists. Why don’t [you read](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12407942&postcount=69) [my citations](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12416947&postcount=87)? I gave them to you too; and they explain quite a lot. ETA: You know… why don’t (at least) you watch this flip [6 minute clip by Craig Venter](http://fliiby.com/file/275285/i7akuus897.html). ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/30 "2010-06-20T01:45:43Z")
1. I’ve read your cites. Nothing in them changes the point I made above. 2. Way to be another Gigobuster–too stupid to argue a point yourself, so you just drop some “cites” and leave. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/31 "2010-06-20T01:47:34Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Well, I’m not above either using “a simple ad hominem” or dismissing arguments wholesale. > > This happens when I think the other person is an idiot or (more importantly) they are making me repeat the same points (or cite the same sources) over and over again in an attempt to wear me out. If you don’t play these games, I will treat your posts with respect. > > As for me using the word “racist.” Yes, I use it. Yes, I use it fucking often. I don’t fucking care. You want to know why? I encounter so many idiots who try to pull the coy “I’m not a racist. Preaching the racial superiority/inferiority of certain races, is not racism per se…blah blah blah” I just got sick and tired of this coy shit. > > Just awhile ago there was this idiot who was trying to fucking REDEFINE RACISM just so that no one could call him out as a racist **when he brings up and defends race theory!** > > I’m sorry. 18th century race theory… that’s fucking racist! You want to preach it. You’re a fucking racist. Don’t be goddamned coy! I have no respect for that stupid bullshit. > > If you look on the internet you will find many names for the idiots from this sub-culture. Some which try to sanitize what they are preaching (race realism: “we are realists”), or give it a scientific veneer (racialism: “We study races”) and even omit any reference of race (human Bio-diversity: “We study bio-diversity in humans”). > > But it’s all the fucking same thing: “Blecks iz dum!” Wel, if you hate it so much, and would like people to stop doing it, it would serve YOU better to attack their arguments without attacking them. Again, it would serve YOU better. Because once you hurl it, you’re saying, in essence, not that you simply disagree, but you _dislike_ what their saying. So, you take the objective discussion you claim you want to have and introduce a mountain of subjectivity. If someone’s thinking is SO wrong, you should be able to refute it directly. and let’s say they ARE wrong—100% wrong, their just as wrong whether you call them a racist or not. But by calling them names, as I said, you’re making the debate more subjective, not to mention, showing yourself to be not the dispassionate arbiter of facts and reality, but someone who is led around by his emotions. So, as has been pointed out, it doesn’t help YOU. If it makes you feel better, knock yourself out. Bu don’t think there’s no cost to it. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/32 "2010-06-20T01:51:21Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > ETA: Oh and start reading my damn citations. I’m sick and tired of you asking the same questions and playing the same games. And this thread of yours is some new take on how to debate? Come on, now…you say " I’m a strictly just-the-facts type of person", but you’re letting your emotions lead you to act in a manner in direct opposition to the person you claim to be. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/33 "2010-06-20T01:51:45Z")
Racists upset at being called “racist”. News at 11. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/34 "2010-06-20T01:55:00Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Racists upset at being called “racist”. News at 11. Not really. More like “People with inability to make arguments hurl insults instead. News at 11.” ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/35 "2010-06-20T01:56:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Wel, if you hate it so much, and would like people to stop doing it, it would serve YOU better to attack their arguments without attacking them. Again, it would serve YOU better. Because once you hurl it, you’re saying, in essence, not that you simply disagree, but you _dislike_ what their saying. So, you take the objective discussion you claim you want to have and introduce a mountain of subjectivity. If someone’s thinking is SO wrong, you should be able to refute it directly. and let’s say they ARE wrong—100% wrong, their just as wrong whether you call them a racist or not. But by calling them names, as I said, you’re making the debate more subjective, not to mention, showing yourself to be not the dispassionate arbiter of facts and reality, but someone who is led around by his emotions. So, as has been pointed out, it doesn’t help YOU. If it makes you feel better, knock yourself out. Bu don’t think there’s no cost to it. Look [I have fought it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11913366&postcount=93). I[fought it in](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11853418&postcount=142) [many more posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11853288&postcount=140) [then I can](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314907&postcount=66) [count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11789177&postcount=34). There’s just [some people](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11910265#post11910265) who don’t want to debate or read. They just want to repeat racist claims and assertions. I recognized those people after awhile and stop trying to offer citations and proof. I grow tired! I have done so. They don’t use them. I lose respect. I should pobably be zen like **tomndebb**. But I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/36 "2010-06-20T02:05:37Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Look [I have fought it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11913366&postcount=93). I[fought it in](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11853418&postcount=142) [many more posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11853288&postcount=140) [then I can](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314907&postcount=66) [count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11789177&postcount=34). There’s just [some people](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11910265#post11910265) who don’t want to debate or read. They just want to repeat racist claims and assertions. I recognized those people after awhile and stop trying to offer citations and proof. I grow tired! > > I have done so. They don’t use them. I lose respect. I should pobably be zen like **tomndebb**. But I’m not. Posting links to articles you don’t understand is a far cry from “fighting it.” ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/37 "2010-06-20T02:08:38Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Posting links to articles you don’t understand is a far cry from “fighting it.” You are an idiot. ETA: and a troll… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/38 "2010-06-20T02:09:51Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > You are an idiot. Like I said: “People with inability to make arguments hurl insults instead. News at 11.” ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/39 "2010-06-20T02:10:56Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Like I said: “People with inability to make arguments hurl insults instead. News at 11.” troll ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/40 "2010-06-20T02:12:27Z")
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