# Chief Pendant. Go to hell you retarded racist.

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [June 19, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794 "2010-06-19T18:40:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/141 "2010-06-28T10:56:01Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> Wait - so you’re not even a doctor, you just sell medical supplies?

**MrDimbulbs** , I’m retired into a consulting capacity in business. My resume speaks for itself but is irrelevant to the discussion here. It includes a distinguished multi-decade career in clinical medicine as well as competency demonstration on formal exams in the top 1 or 2 percentile for the medical specialties for which I am certified; most recently last year. My clinical career does not include a single blemish and I continue to be widely respected for clinical acumen. Does that help? I don’t see why it would, since ideas here should rise and fall on their own merits.

Of all the various datasets and cites I’ve posted here, you apparently take a single chart–a passing reference to IQ and the Wealth of Nations-- and paint a picture that all of the data I present is tainted somehow.

Here’s the thing: if those who think IQ has been mis-measured want to disprove a notion that IQs vary by population, all they need to do is establish an alternate proxy for intelligence and use that. Why bother attacking IQ as a marker? Find an alternate proxy and show that there are no differences.

The dilemma, of course, is that there are differences, demonstrated repeatedly using any number of markers, and found in a consistent pattern throughout the world. Some populations are good at one thing; some at another. And evolution has that effect, doesn’t it? Sub-saharan Africans and non-Africans are clearly two allopatric groups, historically. If you want to demonstrate that allopatry has not had any genetic drift creating functional differences, why that’s just fine: demonstrate it.

Attacking me for using a single reference point you don’t like is…stupid, especially since your specific complaint is apparently around its funding (of which I was not aware) and not its science. And calling me a “racist” is utterly devoid of any counter-evidence at all. You see, it’s not a question of whether or not someone is a “racist.” It’s a question of whether or not there is any data to support their position. Work on understanding that and try to get away from this idea that if someone meets your definition of a racist, their position is therefore unsupportable by science.

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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/142 "2010-06-28T11:07:02Z")

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> [@Zoe](#):
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> I don’t know why anyone would assume that the child of parents with $100,000 income is well-nourished. They survive on chips, cokes, snacks, pizza, starch and fat sandwiches.
> 
> Doctors are notorious for not being well-schooled in nutrition – especially the older ones. That’s why we have so many nutritionists now. Listen to them, not to doctors.
> 
> **Rune** , it’s time we had it out! Your mother is a Swede and your father is a farmer from Jutland. Need I say more?
> 
> There. I’ve done my worst.

So…in summary, Cheezits are causing the underperformance of high-income blacks on standardized testing in the US? The under-$10k/yr white cohort against which they are underperforming is eating what…organically-certified whole grains and raw milk?

I guess that is the worst effort I’ve seen at presenting an alternate hypothesis.

Congratulations on humiliating the opposition with the most vapid reasoning to date.

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**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/143 "2010-06-28T11:07:03Z")

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> [@Rand\_Rover](#):
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> You called me a racist and then don’t understand why I got upset–thus confirming my opinion of you as a fucking idiot.  
> I haven’t started a single thread on this subject, and I haven’t even been a major participant in any of them (only a minor one).  
> First, I do strongly suspect you of science snobbery. Second, I’m not sure “convinced” is the right word when dealing with a person’s reactions to scientific topics–see my IMHO thread for more on my opinion of this particular topic.  
> I think it’s for the same reason there’s no legion of doctors attempting to nail dow n the question of whether or not eating rhutabagas increases the risk of any cancers or lowers the risk of heart disease or both or neither–there’s just not a real pressing need to know the answer and no big political lobby behind one answer or the other. Contrast this with anthropogenic global warming, which has a huge political lobby designed to reach a certain conclusion.

I said " I think, and this is my personal opinion, that you are kidding yourself into thinking that your opinions about race are derived from the data (and supported by it) and not the other way around. "

You’re the one who concluded that this meant you were a racist. All it means is that I think your assumptions may be driving things. You say, ‘no’, I say, ‘fine’. I don’t think I’ve used the term ‘racist’ at all until now.

Let’s try translating this into a different idiom:

1. I think, and this is my personal opinion, that you are kidding yourself into thinking that your opinions about **r_ecycling_** are derived from the data (and supported by it) and not the other way around.

2. I think, and this is my personal opinion, that you are kidding yourself into thinking that your opinions about _ **earthworm mating behaviours** _ are derived from the data (and supported by it) and not the other way around.

3. I think, and this is my personal opinion, that you are kidding yourself into thinking that your opinions about _ **going barefoot in the summer** _ are derived from the data (and supported by it) and not the other way around.

Not exactly inflammatory to me, but hey, YMMV. As I recall, you said similar things about assumptions underlying liberal beliefs.

I was not, and am not trying to get up in your face, but apparently I’m succeeding. All I’ve ever been trying to do is point out what I believe to be a methodological problem.

Oh, wait, I did say I’d have a beer with you in Pretoria in the '50s. That was a joke - there’s this board joke about a trench and a submersible. Sorry if it hurt your feelings.

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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/144 "2010-06-28T11:58:52Z")

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> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> There aren’t large populations of black Americans anywhere but the US. So no, the gap doesn’t exist anywhere else.
> 
> African immigrants to the US don’t show the gap. So again, no.
> 
> We’re in Alice in Wonderland territory now. You’re the Red Queen. Feel free to devise all the imaginary categories you like.

The performance gap for both standardized tests and socioeconomic success for sub-saharan blacks emigrating anywhere else in the world, and all Eurasian groups emigrating to sub-saharan Africa does, in fact, exist.

Data can be parsed many ways, but the existence of the gap is immutable, to the best of my knowledge, and always the same general pattern.

As an example, [here](http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/rsgateway/DB/SFR/s000759/index.shtml) is some data from the UK, by ethnic groups, using cohorts with English as a first language and free school meals (so we’re taking groups in the same general–and lower–class status). Download the first Excel (SFR38-2007 Tables) and focus on students achieving level 3:

**White** … 27  
**Chinese** … 35  
**Mixed White/African** … 26  
**Mixed White/Asian** … 34  
**Black African** … 16

This particular dataset is not all comers. It doesn’t included higher-income groups (I don’t think) or dropouts, etc etc. But what is remarkable and consistent is a general pattern of East Asians on top and Africans on the bottom, and mixed genes somewhere in between. This is the sort of general pattern we find across the world.

That’s what immutable. That’s the general pattern that never changes, despite individual variations in numbers. It’s not like you can go to Brazil, say, and see a different pattern.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/145 "2010-06-28T12:49:39Z")

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> [@Chief\_Pedant](#):
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> **MrDimbulbs**

:rolleyes: If this is the best insulting the “high-cognitive function” _volk_ can do…  
I’ve heard better insulting from illiterate Bushmen.

> [@](#):
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> It includes a distinguished multi-decade career in clinical medicine as well as competency demonstration on formal exams in the top 1 or 2 percentile for the medical specialties for which I am certified; most recently last year.

Look, I don’t need any further evidence that testing has nothing to do with intelligence, but thanks, all the same. So you _were_ a quack. And clearly the senility is setting in, old man, better hang on to that high-cognitive function while you can…oh, wait, too late.

> [@](#):
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> My clinical career does not include a single blemish and I continue to be widely respected for clinical acumen. Does that help? I don’t see why it would, since ideas here should rise and fall on their own merits.

You must have this mistaken for GD. Here, I’m not discussing the merits of your _ideas_, as worthless as those are. I’m just rejoicing in the ability to call you what you really are - a racist troll.

> [@](#):
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> Of all the various datasets and cites I’ve posted here, you apparently take a single chart–a passing reference to IQ and the Wealth of Nations-- and paint a picture that all of the data I present is tainted somehow.

Yeah, you’ve only referenced the book once :rolleyes: And yes, all your data is tainted. Or are you now prepared to disavow all the massaged “data” in _IQatWoN_?  
You posted the fucking graph, now suddenly it’s just “a single chart?” Like hell, it’s the entire research program of Lynn et al, as well as all the shit that cites it.

> [@](#):
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> Here’s the thing: if those who think IQ has been mis-measured want to disprove a notion that IQs vary by population, all they need to do is establish an alternate proxy for intelligence and use that. Why bother attacking IQ as a marker? Find an alternate proxy and show that there are no differences.

Been done, troll. I’ve given plenty of cites in GD.

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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/146 "2010-06-28T20:06:41Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> I’ve heard better insulting from illiterate Bushmen.

They shouldn’t be too hard to find…

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**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/147 "2010-06-28T20:23:10Z")

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I am not going to wade through the shit here. But let me make this observation.

There are two kinds of standard deviations (at least when one is not being extremely precise in ones language). One is a measure of the ACTUAL variation in what you are measuring for large population. The other is possible ERROR (or uncertainty) in what the actual value you are trying to measure IS.

Lets say one population has a mean IQ of 100, with a standard deviation (of THAT population) of 15. That means that a majority will have an IQ of between 85 and 115 and a large fraction of the population will be between 70 and 130 and so on and so on.

Now lets say another population has a mean IQ of 90. So the ranges become 75 to 105, 60 to 120 and so on.

That DOES NOT mean you can go “but wait, the standard deviation of the first population is 15points centered around 100 and 90 is WITHIN THAT so that means the difference between the two populations is NOT significant”. That is just statistically and logically wrong wrong wrong.

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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/148 "2010-06-28T20:42:52Z")

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> [@billfish678](#):
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> I am not going to wade through the shit here. But let me make this observation.
> 
> There are two kinds of standard deviations (at least when one is not being extremely precise in ones language). One is a measure of the ACTUAL variation in what you are measuring for large population. The other is possible ERROR (or uncertainty) in what the actual value you are trying to measure IS.
> 
> Lets say one population has a mean IQ of 100, with a standard deviation (of THAT population) of 15. That means that a majority will have an IQ of between 85 and 115 and a large fraction of the population will be between 70 and 130 and so on and so on.
> 
> Now lets say another population has a mean IQ of 90. So the ranges become 75 to 105, 60 to 120 and so on.
> 
> That DOES NOT mean you can go “but wait, the standard deviation of the first population is 15points centered around 100 and 90 is WITHIN THAT so that means the difference between the two populations is NOT significant”. That is just statistically and logically wrong wrong wrong.

Where did anyone claim that the test score gap was not significant?

Before you start lecturing on statistics, work on your reading comprehension.

The example you’ve given has nothing to do with what I posted.

Are you normally this dense, or are you just having an off day?

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**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/149 "2010-06-28T20:47:26Z")

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> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> Where did anyone claim that the test score gap was not significant?
> 
> Before you start lecturing on statistics, work on your reading comprehension.
> 
> The example you’ve given has nothing to do with what I posted.

And work on YOUR fucking reading comprehension.

Did I specifically address your post? I think the part where I mentioned not wading through all the shit implies otherwise.

Plenty of other idiots out there DO confuse what I was attempting to clarify. But, given the idiot you are, I guess I can understand your confusion.

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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/150 "2010-06-28T20:48:27Z")

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> [@Chief\_Pedant](#):
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> The performance gap for both standardized tests and socioeconomic success for sub-saharan blacks emigrating anywhere else in the world, and all Eurasian groups emigrating to sub-saharan Africa does, in fact, exist.
> 
> Data can be parsed many ways, but the existence of the gap is immutable, to the best of my knowledge, and always the same general pattern.
> 
> As an example, [here](http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/rsgateway/DB/SFR/s000759/index.shtml) is some data from the UK, by ethnic groups, using cohorts with English as a first language and free school meals (so we’re taking groups in the same general–and lower–class status). Download the first Excel (SFR38-2007 Tables) and focus on students achieving level 3:
> 
> **White** … 27  
> **Chinese** … 35  
> **Mixed White/African** … 26  
> **Mixed White/Asian** … 34  
> **Black African** … 16
> 
> **This particular dataset is not all comers.**

Because an all comers data set in the UK would show that African students do slightly better than white British students on average.

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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/151 "2010-06-28T20:53:28Z")

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Why Lynn, his book, and his backers are trash:  
[http://www.ferris.edu/ISAR/Institut/pioneer/search.htm](http://www.ferris.edu/ISAR/Institut/pioneer/search.htm)

[http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/65rwe7dm9780252074639.html](http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/65rwe7dm9780252074639.html)

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11998853?dopt=Citation](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11998853?dopt=Citation)

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12115787?dopt=Citation](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12115787?dopt=Citation)  
[http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html](http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html)

[http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05030/450021.stm](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05030/450021.stm)

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**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/152 "2010-06-28T20:54:14Z")

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[Chief Pendant](http://www.nellymoon.co.uk/jewellery-resinchiefheadchoker.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/153 "2010-06-28T21:00:18Z")

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> [@billfish678](#):
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> And work on YOUR fucking reading comprehension.
> 
> Did I specifically address your post? I think the part where I mentioned not wading through all the shit implies otherwise.
> 
> Plenty of other idiots out there DO confuse what I was attempting to clarify. But, given the idiot you are, I guess I can understand your confusion.

Since, by your own admission, you haven’t read the thread, what could you possibly hope to clarify?

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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/154 "2010-06-28T23:44:53Z")

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> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> Why Lynn, his book, and his backers are trash:  
> [http://www.ferris.edu/ISAR/Institut/pioneer/search.htm](http://www.ferris.edu/ISAR/Institut/pioneer/search.htm)
> 
> [http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/65rwe7dm9780252074639.html](http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/65rwe7dm9780252074639.html)
> 
> [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11998853?dopt=Citation](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11998853?dopt=Citation)
> 
> [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12115787?dopt=Citation](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12115787?dopt=Citation)  
> [http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html](http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html)
> 
> [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05030/450021.stm](http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05030/450021.stm)

I am unable to sort out from this exactly why “Lynn, his book and his backers” are trash.

In general, in looking over your cites, I see two themes:

1. A criticism of funding which seeks to elucidate genetic differences among races.
2. A criticism that groups which do such research either associate directly with various hate groups or else provide them “scientific” fodder.

Let’s take those two points as a given. Neither of them have any bearing whatsoever on whether or not genetic differences among groups accounts for the disproportionate success we see among racial groups in the world.

The fact that you and society are uncomfortable with the research does not make the premise, a priori, wrong.

I am reminded of religious fanatics, also determined to protect their faith-based principles which they consider absolutely vital to society, who see themselves at war with any research which would undermine their faith-based beliefs.

It is faith, and faith only, that supports a position that all human groups are genetically equivalent in potential. No one has ever shown this.

It may well be true that showing a genetic difference in potential among what we consider race-based grouping is bad for society. But it’s a lazy attitude to simply color any such research as “trash” because we don’t want to know the outcome or because we are afraid the data will be used by nitwits. I’m not worried about the hate groups. From what I’ve seen they represent the lowest intellectual tier of humanity.

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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/155 "2010-06-28T23:47:33Z")

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> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> Because an all comers data set in the UK would show that African students do slightly better than white British students on average.

I believe that to be incorrect.  
Can you post a cite for me to review?  
There are a number of other spreadsheets listed in the link I gave you, and of course there are other markers, so I’m open to taking a look at them.

What is the source of your contention?

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**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/156 "2010-06-28T23:51:46Z")

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> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> Since, by your own admission, you haven’t read the thread, what could you possibly hope to clarify?

And here you prove you don’t even know the fucking definition of “all”.

I take it your skin isnt a pale yellow?

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**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/157 "2010-06-28T23:53:07Z")

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> [@Polycarp](#):
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> [Chief Pendant](http://www.nellymoon.co.uk/jewellery-resinchiefheadchoker.jpg)

Thats funny 🙂

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**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/158 "2010-06-29T05:23:07Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> :rolleyes: If this is the best insulting the “high-cognitive function” _volk_ can do…  
> I’ve heard better insulting from illiterate Bushmen.

Perhaps because you deserved it ?

I find your comment indicative of an underlying racist attitude towards Bushmen.

Hypocrite.

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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/159 "2010-06-29T05:58:35Z")

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> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#):
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> I find your comment indicative of an underlying racist attitude towards Bushmen.

😕 You read that entirely the wrong way round, then. Not that I’d expect better from you, but come on…

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**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chief-pendant-go-to-hell-you-retarded-racist/543794/160 "2010-06-29T12:29:24Z")

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> [@MrDibble](#):
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> 😕 You read that entirely the wrong way round, then. Not that I’d expect better from you, but come on…

Don’t be defensive. It’s a condition of humans to identify with one’s own group, and categories such as “race” aren’t any different from all the other categories we use.

You know from your own experience in South Africa how fractured the “black” community is even toward other blacks. The idea that only whites are “racist” is one of the many bits of nonsense in this whole discussion. Think Hutu-Tutsi, but pick any other two groups.

[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/899543.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/899543.stm) e.g.

We’ve all got this (genetically-based 😉 ) bug up our butt that we’re superior to the next tier over. It’s an atavistic heritage from helping the Clan survive to reproduce. The only way to get rid of it is to:

1. Recognize there are genetic differences among us\*, and
2. Reach a conclusion that, since one does not choose one’s genes, there’s no intrinsic merit in being born within a particular gene pool. We are all the Family of Man. One Family. And,
3. We need to all learn to find ways to create an egalitarian society with equal opportunity for all and a helping hand for the underserved, regardless of whether they are underserved because of opportunity or birth circumstance.

\*If we don’t start there, we’ll be wondering why the NBA is so “closed” to Asians (hi, **you with the face!** ) and get bitter for the wrong reason.

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