# Chiefs player kills girlfriend then commits suicide at Arrowhead stadium \[Merged thread\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 1, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694 "2012-12-01T17:30:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/21 "2012-12-02T01:46:03Z")
Jovan Belcher’s gf Kasandra Perkins had their baby Sept 11. Not quite 3 months ago. Poor kid lost them both. I hope one of the grandparents is able to raise the child. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/22 "2012-12-02T01:51:29Z")
Apparently Ms. Perkins’ mother was there too, and has the baby. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/23 "2012-12-02T04:10:05Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Jovan Belcher’s gf Kasandra Perkins had their baby Sept 11. Not quite 3 months ago. Poor kid lost them both. > > I hope one of the grandparents is able to raise the child. Hopefully the child is too young to remember them well. Or is that horrible?☹ ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/24 "2012-12-02T04:35:03Z")
I think the safest assumption would be that neither steroids nor concussions were involved, if only because he was still a young guy and it generally takes a while for those brain injuries to take their toll. My bet is that it’s just an aggressive guy who got in an escalating argument with his girlfriend that ended horribly, then he couldn’t live with it. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/25 "2012-12-02T05:00:00Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Hopefully the child is too young to remember them well. It would be most unusual to remember much of anything from your first 3 months. ---
**Author:** ![PSXer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/26 "2012-12-02T06:58:56Z")
Dying was the best thing that could happen to him If he didn’t kill himself, he’d just be THAT DAMN THUG WHO WENT CRAZY AND SHOT HIS GIRLFRIEND, he’d go to jail forever and he’d basically be like OJ Simpson But since he’s dead now, everyone talks about what a great guy he was, conveniently ignoring the fact that HEY THIS GUY SHOT AND KILLED HIS GIRLFRIEND Pretty brilliant, really. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/27 "2012-12-02T07:01:33Z")
> [@PSXer](#): > > But since he’s dead now, everyone talks about what a great guy he was, conveniently ignoring the fact that HEY THIS GUY SHOT AND KILLED HIS GIRLFRIEND They’re saying he seemed like a good guy before and they’re shocked he did this. Nobody’s ignoring anything from what I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/28 "2012-12-02T09:50:51Z")
Reports say the gf went to R&B star Trey Songz’s concert and came back late. That triggered a violent argument and the shooting. I’m guessing Jovan Belcher was the jealous type. [http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/01/3943363/source-belcher-murder-suicide.html](http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/01/3943363/source-belcher-murder-suicide.html) > [@VarlosZ](#): > > I think the safest assumption would be that neither steroids nor concussions were involved, if only because he was still a young guy and it generally takes a while for those brain injuries to take their toll. My bet is that it’s just an aggressive guy who got in an escalating argument with his girlfriend that ended horribly, then he couldn’t live with it. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/29 "2012-12-02T12:33:57Z")
From the Yahoo article: His family turned the front yard into a shrine, with a large poster of Belcher, an array of his trophies, and jerseys and jackets from Kansas City, Maine and West Babylon High. Umm, what??? The man just killed his child’s mother because she was late coming home from a concert. That’s worse than people cheering on OJ during the police chase like he was running down the field for a touchdown. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/30 "2012-12-02T14:08:08Z")
It’s his family, give them a break. They’re not going to stop mourning the loss of their son just because it was a murder-suicide rather than just a suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/31 "2012-12-02T14:29:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Apparently Ms. Perkins’ mother was there too, and has the baby. Apparently it was **his** mother who was there, visiting from New York to see the baby, not her mother. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/32 "2012-12-02T14:43:17Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > It’s his family, give them a break. They’re not going to stop mourning the loss of their son just because it was a murder-suicide rather than just a suicide. The man is guilty of murder as well as leaving his kid without a mother or father. The family shouldn’t be building a shrine to him. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/33 "2012-12-02T14:45:07Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > It’s his family, give them a break. They’re not going to stop mourning the loss of their son just because it was a murder-suicide rather than just a suicide. I would certainly mourn the loss of someone who killed themselves, and I would, inside, mourn the loss of a family member who murdered someone. But to create and allow a public shrine to a murderer? I find that troubling to say the least. Celebrating the life of a man who killed his girlfriend just doesn’t sit right with me. I know everyone will be looking for excuses (CTE, steroids), but they don’t excuse the fact that he murdered a woman, leaving her infant baby without a mother. The fact the guy had a happy public face and played professional football doesn’t change the fact he is a murderer. And, to me, murderers shouldn’t be having shrines. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/34 "2012-12-02T14:49:41Z")
I’m sure that’s true. I’m also sure that if it were your kid, you probably wouldn’t give a god damn what people said on the internet about it, and if that’s the way you mourn the loss of your child you do what you do to cope. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/35 "2012-12-02T14:52:38Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > I’m sure that’s true. I’m also sure that if it were your kid, you probably wouldn’t give a god damn what people said on the internet about it, and if that’s the way you mourn the loss of your child you do what you do to cope. Absolutely correct. And it jibes with my prosecutorial experience of a mother’s ability to overlook overwhelming evidence and reality itself to deny that her son had done a horrible act. That doesn’t make it right. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/36 "2012-12-02T15:17:21Z")
They’re allowed to mourn the guy even though he snapped and died doing something horrible. I might argue that’s part of what they’re mourning: not only the death of the man himself, but of their idea of him as a good person. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694/37 "2012-12-02T15:22:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > They’re allowed to mourn the guy even though he snapped and died doing something horrible. I might argue that’s part of what they’re mourning: not only the death of the man himself, but of their idea of him as a good person. And, again, I have no problem with the mourning. What I have a problem with is creating and allowing a large, loud, public display celebrating the life of a murderer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chiefs-player-kills-girlfriend-then-commits-suicide-at-arrowhead-stadium-merged-thread/642694.md?page=1)