Not so. I once saw a Judge sentence a man who was guilty of raping a young boy. The Judges words were, “Crimes against children are highly frowned upon in the penal institution, Mr._____ , and there is a social hierarchy in prison, to which you will fall right to the bottom of once you walk in since you are convicted of a crime against a child. The sentence I’m about to give you may very well turn out to be a death sentence for you, sir.”
What about rape? I heard rapists are also near the bottom of the heap.
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Not so. I once saw a Judge sentence a man who was guilty of raping a young boy. The Judges words were, “Crimes against children are highly frowned upon in the penal institution, Mr._____ , and there is a social hierarchy in prison, to which you will fall right to the bottom of once you walk in since you are convicted of a crime against a child. The sentence I’m about to give you may very well turn out to be a death sentence for you, sir.”
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Cite? :dubious:
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Cite? :dubious:
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How the fuck is he supposed to produce a cite for something that he claimed he witnessed? Either he is telling the truth, he imagined it or he is lying.
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How the fuck is he supposed to produce a cite for something that he claimed he witnessed? Either he is telling the truth, he imagined it or he is lying.
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He could go to the courthouse, file paperwork for the transcript. Then go to a pulic notary,have him read/sign it to verify the authenticity. Then scan all said documents to his HDD then post it all on a photobucket account then link to said documents…
Being sarcastic
I’ve been a CO at Millhaven Institution for the last 20 years.
Millhaven is a maximum security institution run by the federal gov’t, and houses people who are sentenced to a term of 2 years or more.
M.I. is really 2 institutions under one roof.
The reception unit welcomes everyone in the province of Ontario who is given a federal term (2 years or more)
In this unit, they are assessed, and a determination is given as to which facility they will be transfered to based on factors such as “Security Classification” and recommended programs"
The other unit of M.I. is the MSU (Maximum Security Unit)
offenders who pose a high escape risk, and are a danger to society because they are violent or deemed a high risk to re-offend are housed here.
I can state with certainty that if your crimes were against women or children, and you ‘accidently’ get pen placed to the MSU, you’re living on borrowed time.
They will at the very least pipe you at the first opportunity, and if you’re lucky enough to survive, the administration will immediatly transfer you to a facility more suited to crimes of that nature.
In my professional experience, Canada & America are 2 different kettles of fish when it comes to inmate code.
I once had a inmate on my caseload who had served time at the Lousianna State Pen, and he told me it was quite acceptable to be in prison for “taking a peice”.
When I asked him what that meant, he said “you know, taking a peice of ass, raping a chick”
In Canada, rape, sexual assault and crimes against women and children are dealt with swiftly by the prison subculture, and for this reason. criminals who are guilty of sex crimes are kept in “their own” institutions (regardless of how much the Correctional Service of Canada will deny it, this is unofficially the way it is.
It is their mandate to keept the inmate in their custody alive, and they know mixing them is not healthy.
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How the fuck is he supposed to produce a cite for something that he claimed he witnessed? Either he is telling the truth, he imagined it or he is lying.
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It would have made the papers.
Possibly an urban legend…
But on more than one occasion I’ve heard different people say that in some institutions some of the incoming convict’s paperwork was filed by other prisoners earning a few dimes an hour. Not saying that all of the paperwork is, but some is. And that information could include the crime… or enough information to piece it together.
Any proof of this out there? Or is it all urban legend?
Perhaps so. But I find it hard to believe that a judge would be so unprofressional.
It reminds me of the judge in Office Space when Peter is dreaming:
“I sentence you to federal, pound-me-in-the-ass prison.”
And on reread, he can certainly provide a name. No reason to be coy, unless he honestly doesn’t know. And he has a word-perfect recollection of everything else, or else he would have indicated as much.
It’s certainly not true in New York. Prisoners are prohibited from knowing other prisoners’ records and are certainly not used to process them. But as I pointed out above, a lot of this information is public record and available online. Family members can and do access the information and pass it on to prisoners who can use it against other prisoners.
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Correct. Australians tend to use the “y” or “ie” diminutive for a lot of words.
bikies = bikers
bikkies = biscuits
brekkie = breakfast
footy = football
And, of course, Aussie.
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Crikey!
Regards,
Shodan-y
Anecdote alert:
I used to spend a lot of time with a gentleman in my parents’ employ who had done several stretches in local correctional institutions himself, mostly for petty theft.
He mentioned (don’t ask how it came up) that it was difficult to find out what others were “in” for, but if the inmates found out that someone was a child molester, he’d be in hospital or a mortuary within a few weeks.
To answer the question how do the inmates know what each other are in for?
The world is a small place, and in prison, it’s even smaller.
There’s a very good chance there’s always “someone who knows someone” who knows what you’re in for, or someone who remembers reading your story in the paper.
We had a certain high profile inmate in our unit once, nobody knew what he was in for when the assessment unit mistakingly pen placed him in our unit.
3 days later when the new issue of MacLean’s magazine was released, there he was on the front page in all his glory. “Notorious Cult Leader Arrested!”
The inmate committee told us in a very respectful way “get him outa here or he’ll be dead by lunchtime”
They made a TV movie about him titled Savage Messiah.
Anyways, getting back to the post, someone always finds out what you’re in for, it’s just a matter of time.
When my cousin was arrested for assalting an ederly person (who was actually the aggressor in some peoples eyes btw) they put him in the county jail and delivered his indicment from the grand jury to him in a crowded public area (the TV room). A bigger inmate snatched the paper from him almost as soon as the guard turned his back and read his charges to the who group. His case never made the local paper because he accepted a plea bargin, but everyone in the state prision knew what he had done.
I suspect most people in jail have some type of papers with them that has some details of there crime and that other prisoners are not above seeking them out.
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It would have made the papers.
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Not necessarily. The media doesn’t follow every single criminal trial in this country, whether or not they involve children. Even when they do, they don’t always quote the judge’s exact words upon sentencing. And who’s to say it didn’t make the papers? Most civilians wouldn’t think twice about that kind of statement from a judge – hell, they’d probably find it completely appropriate.
(That said, I do wonder if digglebob actually confused an episode of The Practice with real life…)
I’ve never been in prison, but a friend of mine did seven months for petty theft & drug possession. He said there was a protective custody unit which mainly housed (1) sex offenders, and (2) snitches. He also said that some inmates would deliberately “snitch” on somebody else (usually with the permission of the second inmate) for the sole purpose of being transferred to protective custody so he could beat up the sex offenders. Whether this really happened or not, I’m not sure – my friend used to lie a lot.
Most of the time, (according to my husband, who works in the FL DOC, but not as a CO, thank God) unless you are high profile, or piss someone off so they try to find out, no one usually knows what the other guy is in for, and they usually don’t care. It’s not good, though, if you piss someone off and they go trying to find out, and you’re a child molester.
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It’s usually known who the child abusers are in prison. My experience is that the same compulsion that causes them to abuse children also makes them talk about it. And even if they don’t tell anyone, it’s now easily accessed information on the internet and other prisoners get the information.
Anyone who committed crimes against children is going to be unpopular. It doesn’t mean he or she’s going to be getting raped or stabbed on a daily basis but they will generally be shunned by most other prisoners.
Part of it is a pecking order - one way for prisoners to raise their status is to push another prisoner’s status down. Another part of it is perceived vengeance - a large percentage of prisoners were the victims of abuse when they were children and by hurting a child abuser they can feel they’re getting some revenge for the crimes committed against them.
Actually, the prisoners who are most unpopular and are most likely to get beat up are the ones who commit crimes inside the prison. The biggest targets in a prison are jailhouse thieves - if you’re ever doing time and you want to get beat up just start stealing things from other prisoners. Jailhouse arsonists are less common but are also very hated - people who are locked inside a building do not like people who set the building on fire. Prisoners with bad hygiene are disliked. Anyone doing time for treason or crimes against the country is hated - many prisoners are very patriotic. And, of course, nobody likes a tattletale. So if you’re an Al Qaeda child molester whose hobbies are avoiding showers, stealing potato chips, throwing matches in garbage cans, and snitching to the guards, you’re going to have to resign yourself to not having a lot of friends.
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I have found this to be very accurate.