# Child with SS parents barred from San Diego (private) school. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088 "2015-09-30T22:57:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/21 "2015-10-01T05:31:44Z")
Can a private school exclude a kid based upon race? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/22 "2015-10-01T06:58:14Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > San Diego used to be in California, didn’t it? Is it still? Grin! Physically, yes, but then so is Orange County and the conservative counties way up north. > [@](#): > > State anti-discrimination laws in California include sexual orientation as one of the grounds on which discrimination is not allowed, I’m pretty sure. Would this apply at a Christian-run private school? Has this been settled by legislation or judicial decisions? I had thought that schools were treated as “businesses” and thus could not discriminate (within some limits and exceptions.) An exemption is made for specific religious instruction – non-Catholics can be excluded from catechism recital, and so on – but not for the ordinary schooling part of the school – reading, writing, and rhythmic tic. (In approximately the same way, a gift shop attached to a church can’t discriminate in hiring, although the church certainly can.) (On the other hand, didn’t the Salvation Army manage to get a company-wide exemption?) I hate to say it, but we need **Bricker** … ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/23 "2015-10-01T07:46:48Z")
1. The school, being private, has the right to enrol anybody they want, and bar any they don’t want. 2. What were the parents thinking? 3. Sounds like the little girl dodged a VERY big bullet being excluded from a school that teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Imagine if she’d been allowed to remain, and in future years being told that her mums are going to burn in eternal hell yada yada. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/24 "2015-10-01T08:52:15Z")
One would think that it would be exactly the kids of inveterate sinners that an evangelical Christian school would want to get their hands on. Their parents may be hellbound but the school would have the opportunity to save the poor dear little childrens’ souls and set them on the path of righteousness. Train up a child, and all of that. I feel badly for same sex couples who want their children to get a private school education, but have no options because non-sectarian schools are either too expensive or have selective admittance, and the only other options are religious schools that reject their kids out of hand. This is going to happen more and more frequently. As an aside, I went to a Christian school, and my mother was rather rudely grilled about the whereabouts of my father, who had died, and her personal life. Were they married? Was he a Christian when he died? Was she dating or living with anyone? (She wasn’t.) Did she foresee that changing? My mouth dropped open. It should’ve been a sign to run, but she took it with far more grace than it ever could’ve deserved. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/25 "2015-10-01T10:30:38Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > 1 > 2) What were the parents thinking? No idea, but it isn’t hard to think of reasons why they might choose that school: - It’s their only affordable option besides a crummy public school - It’s conveniently located, geographically, whereas alternative choices involve long bus-rides or other hassles - The girl has several friends who attend …and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/26 "2015-10-01T10:33:01Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > One would think that it would be exactly the kids of inveterate sinners that an evangelical Christian school would want to get their hands on. Their parents may be hellbound but the school would have the opportunity to save the poor dear little childrens’ souls and set them on the path of righteousness. Train up a child, and all of that. One would think that the outrage that’s being expressed in this thread is minimal to what we’d be hearing if the school had let the kids stay on, and then it turns out a few years down the line that they are teaching them that lesbian moms are an abomination before God. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/27 "2015-10-01T11:45:24Z")
So I guess **Frank** doesn’t support making homosexuality a protected class. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/28 "2015-10-01T12:04:14Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Unfortunately, they chose poorly then. The school seems pretty upfront about their anti-gay beliefs and sound fairly fundamentalist in doctrine. According to the article linked the school handbook states > > It sucks but under the Constitution it appears to be perfectly legal. It’s probably legal (though I’m not sure it should be), but I don’t get how it’s compatible with Christianity or anything in the bible to turn down a child based on the supposed sins of the child’s parents. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/29 "2015-10-01T12:52:56Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > So you’re under the impression they can refuse to admit black students if they want. > [@Robert163](#): > > Can a private school exclude a kid based upon race? Good questions, I’d like to know the answer too. Seems to me they could if they wanted to, but there’s probably no reason to in their system/religion. The same-sex thing is not just bigotry, it’s specified in their little guidebook. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/30 "2015-10-01T12:57:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s probably legal (though I’m not sure it should be), but I don’t get how it’s compatible with Christianity or anything in the bible to turn down a child based on the supposed sins of the child’s parents. aren’t we all sinners based on 1 person eating 1 damn apple? ---
**Author:** ![Mikeisskeptical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Mikeisskeptical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikeisskeptical)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/31 "2015-10-01T13:04:42Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > - It’s their only affordable other than a crummy public school How much crummier can it get? I’d prefer my kids to be taught by random winos in the park than go to that school. If the consensus really is that this is legal, I am pretty surprised . Can a privately funded school really teach whatever it wants? Holocaust denial? White supremacy? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/32 "2015-10-01T13:05:49Z")
> [@2gigch1](#): > > My reactions: > > 1. It is sad (yet again) that a school or anyone else is discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, though as we have seen, times are changing. > > 2. If a wholly private institution it’s their right to accept or refuse members at will. > > 3. Did this come as a surprise to her parents? At a glance it didn’t seem to be a surprise to me. I fervently hope the child is not being used by her parents for the promotion of a social statement\* (not that I am claiming she is! I am hoping that concern is completely without merit.)\* [This article gives a few more details](http://www.inquisitr.com/2456838/kindergarten-student-kicked-out-of-mt-erie-christian-academy-because-she-has-two-moms/): > [@](#): > > A California kindergarten student was kicked out of the Mt. Erie Christian Academy because she has two moms. The 5-year-old girl attended both preschool and summer school offerings at the academy, but was reportedly denied permission to enroll in kindergarten classes before the new school year started, just after Labor Day… > > The Mt. Erie Christian Academy parent and student handbook was reportedly revised over the summer. In the section of the handbook which pertains to the school’s non-discrimination policy, it reportedly notes that the California academy reserves the right to “refuse admission of an applicant or to discontinue enrollment of a student.” > > An excerpt from the Mt. Erie Christian Academy handbook follows, as shared by KGTV. > > > [@](#): > > > > “This includes, but is not necessarily limited to, living in, condoning or supporting sexual immorality; practicing homosexual lifestyle or alternative gender identity; promoting such practices; or otherwise having the inability to support the moral principles of the school.” So the child was already attending. Until the school rewrote its rules. Certainly, as a private school, it already had the right to refuse\* any\* student; how many private academies were begun to avoid racially integrated public schools? But these educators made sure to single out exactly what sort of sinful child was unworthy. Therefore, your concern is unwarranted. ---
**Author:** ![Mikeisskeptical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Mikeisskeptical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikeisskeptical)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/33 "2015-10-01T13:09:10Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Good questions, I’d like to know the answer too. Seems to me they could if they wanted to, but there’s probably no reason to in their system/religion. The same-sex thing is not just bigotry, it’s specified in their little guidebook. Well there are plenty of racists around, and many who try to justify their attitudes on religious grounds. I’d have thought if it was legal for a school to exclude black kids, someone would be doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Mikeisskeptical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@Mikeisskeptical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikeisskeptical)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/34 "2015-10-01T13:12:18Z")
> **[Segregation academy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregation_academy)** > > Segregation academies are private schools in the Southern United States that were founded in the mid-20th century by white parents to avoid having their children attend desegregated public schools. They were founded between 1954, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that segregated public schools were unconstitutional, and 1976, when the court ruled similarly about private schools. > While many of these schools still exist – most with low percentages of minority students even today – they may not l... Yep, totally still a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/35 "2015-10-01T13:15:39Z")
Love the sinner, hate the sin? Nope, we even hates the product of sin! ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/36 "2015-10-01T13:21:52Z")
> [@neuroman](#): > > After reading the thread title I thought _Schutzstaffel_ parents, that kid’s mom is old enough that this should definitely make the medical journals. Maybe they are just Illinois _Schutzstaffel_. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/37 "2015-10-01T13:28:32Z")
> [@neuroman](#): > > After reading the thread title I thought _Schutzstaffel_ parents, that kid’s mom is old enough that this should definitely make the medical journals. Yeah, I meant to complain about that! How hard would it have been to write “same sex”? Cuz when I see “SS” (especially capitalized) I still only think of one thing first. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/38 "2015-10-01T13:30:08Z")
Tell me I’m not the only person who clicked this thread to find out how the hell a kid could have 55 parents. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/39 "2015-10-01T13:31:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Tell me I’m not the only person who clicked this thread to find out how the hell a kid could have 55 parents. You’re the only one, sorry. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088/40 "2015-10-01T13:31:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Children should not have to suffer just because their parents were ruthless NAZI murderers. What has this world come to…? I was hoping those SS parents wanted to send their kid to a _Jewish_ private school. Thread expectations: not met. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/child-with-ss-parents-barred-from-san-diego-private-school/733088.md?page=3)