You have simple equality. In fact your paying of taxes entitles you to rights not afforded to children. As an adult you can purchase and consume alcohol, own a gun, drive a car, and vote in elections. So you clearly are not ‘frighting’ for equality, you are ‘frighting’ for the subjugation of children when no problem really exists.
For some reason you have decided that children oppress you. Nevermind that you can do anything you want whenever you want within your means. Catwhisperer, Crawlspace, here’s your example of someone claiming oppression. I mean other than your insistance that I kowtow to your selective redefinition of the English language.
What you are complaining about is that children are not sequestered from adult society. You are complaining that there isn’t some form of segregation, some form of discrimination against children. The tax code recognizes that children grow up into adults, and it was written by people who can look at this issue rationally. It recognizes that all of us at one point were children, and that children are necessary to bring up the next generation, so that when you once again are a non-productive member of society, there will be workers working to support your non-productive ass.
Your comparison is stupid. You are comparing the productivity of an adult dog to the productivity of a child human. Your comparison should be of your adult dog to an adult human. An adult being a child who has reached the age of 18.
You appear to be unable to cope with the fact that there are people in the world that do not adore and worship children. And my right to say I can’t stand the noise of children is part of the Constitution of the United States (you know, freedom of speech). It’s not a matter of
“coping”. It’s a matter of in a polite society I shouldn’t have to always accept excuses for children’s bad behavior. The bad behavior should be recognized as an offense to society and dealt with.
Given the quality of today’s children, it is more likely I will be supporting their non-productive asses in prison, long before the children in my family (because they have been properly raised) will be supporting me.
No, I don’t think we should put up with people who are bigotted against children. Basic civility is a far cry from adoration and worship. As anyone who has made it to adulthood knows.
Civility and legal rights are two different things as any adult who understands etiquette and law at all knows.
But it is a matter of coping. You are incapable of coping with the fact that sometimes children cry in public, and sometimes parents are less than stellar at their duties. It is all about coping. You can’t cope and so you hate children and parents as a result. The bad behavior of children is certainly not the norm. Kids have yet to learn the skills of etiquette, but the only way they will learn the skills of etiquette is to have interactions with other people. For the most part, children ARE sequestered from the adult world. They spend their time in venues where children are known to be, like playgrounds and schools, at home, etc… There are certain public venues where you need to accept that children will attend, like the mall, the grocery store etc… If you don’t want to see children at dinner, go to dinner at 8 at a nicer restaurant. There most likely won’t be kids there, and if there are you can go to another restaurant. If it is that important for you to tailor your life around avoiding children, then learn to cope and tailor your life. You expect, like most children, that the world will conform to your whims.
Freedom of expression evidently applies to you. But you are arguing expressly that other persons should not have that freedom - because it might annoy you!
It’s not about moral worth. It’s basic etiquette. Elders are to be respected. Furthermore, children should be last and least largely because they are such an unknown. We have no way of knowing whether the resources contributed to a child will be used properly or squandered. With an adult this decision can be more clearly made based on their previous actions.
Nonsense, I am saying, we should have equal rights to freedom of expression. If I scream in a theater or throw a sippy across a restaurant, I would be asked to leave or possibly escorted out by security.
Yes of course, elders are to be respected. I think we all agree with that statement.
But that’s not how society is structured. Society is structured around treating people equally, not with some assumption that they may or may not become productive adults. Furthermore, if you want a child to become a productive adult you have to invest resources. Society as a whole has come to the decision that investing in children makes sense. Which is why you have the luxury of living in the most successful and wealthy society in history, (Western society as a whole) because of these cultural beliefs.
you don’t want to see children at dinner, go to dinner at 8 at a nicer restaurant. There most likely won’t be kids there, and if there are you can go to another restaurant.QUOTE]
I have seen screaming children at $50.00 a plate restaurants (which is some serious money in the area I live in) at ten o’clock at night. There are places where children should not be taken. Until parents respect this, they should expect death glares and nasty comments whenever they take children some place inappropriate.
The silliness lies in expecting the same standards of behaviour from an adult or child (and no, I’m not really of the opinion that the US Constitution has anything to do with the matter).
You can’t behave like a newborn, in public? Well, that’s just too bad. I feel for your deprivation, but honestly - normal humans give infants latitude that, by and large, they do not extend to adults.
That being said, there are some venues young children should not be taken to, exactly because they cannot be expected to keep quiet on demand.
Know what? I’d love to see everyone, parents and non-parents alike, attempt to reach for this standard for themselves.
Rating people by how much they “contribute” strikes me as fairly repugnant, and moreover leads to some nasty self-serving entitled behaviour. The clarion cry of the entitled tends to be “I pay my taxes … !!!”.
