I guess I just don’t get the point of this thread, or where you’re going with this. What is the debate, or is this a rant you got worked up about because some mean people on the internet smack-talked babies?
Why on Earth would you fear this? Do you really see the impending doom of civilization due to some widespread anti-natalism out there?
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Every person? Really? Well I suppose you have never met me, but I would describe myself as childfree, childless, without child, or would employ any other modifier that denotes I do not have children.
I’m sorry that you have harped on this free/less distinction so seriously. Where did this idea that all childfree people are angry would-be baby murderers come from? Did this all come from nasty message boards on the internet you’ve come across? This is an actual, real-word phenomenon?
So calling all Nazis bad is bigotry? All serial killers? All torturers? All evil people?
No; it’s not automatically bigotry to call all members of a group that people choose to be part of “bad”, because the group in question may be defined by being “bad”. It’s only bigotry then if you are factually wrong; an example of that would be someone who claimed that, say, Catholics secretly sacrifice Protestant babies. The bigotry there isn’t disliking Catholics; it’s doing so for fictional reasons. After all, if they did sacrifice babies that would be a perfectly just reason to dislike them.
Why are you defending this hateful shit? Therein lies the problem. You are treating it as though it’s valid. The proof is in the pudding. People are defending a hateful ideology.
I don’t think that all ‘childfree’ people are this hateful, but the proof is in the pudding. Just go on childfree forums and you see post after post about how much they hate parents and children.
I see on this particular forum epithets like ‘Breeder’ and ‘Cult of the Child’ thrown around. Don’t tell me that calling you, ‘childless’, is insulting when you’re going to walk around calling Mothers ‘Moos’.
The fact that you feel the need to defend bigotry as though it’s equally valid just proves my point.
I’m saying the term childfree is tainted by bigotry because of the primary responses you see on childfree forums. I mean they are lamenting that children haven’t died. Seriously. You honestly think that this is on the same level as, “Really you don’t want kids, how can you not want kids?” That’s the problem here. The Childfree on that forum are mad that a human being did not die. As opposed to the smug parents who do not understand the choice not to have a child. There simply is no equivalent one is hateful to the extreme the other is just slightly assholish.
Notice, no attempt by you or anyone else to distance yourself from the people writing rants about how much they hate Mothers. Also, isn’t it interesting that the hate is almost exclusively aimed at Mothers? Why is it so mysogynistic and not equal opportunity?
Here’s some gems from a DIFFERENT bratfree forum at www.bratfree.com
This guy hates his Mother. Calls her a slut.
This one is glad that she can have pets because she can just kill them if she tires of them. Unlike children that you can’t just kill.
See how much of these people want to KILL children? It’s not just wishing THEY didn’t have kids, it’s wanting children to be dead.
If anyone talked about homosexuals or jews like that, the lot of you would be up in arms, but because they are talking about children, for some reason you’re making excuses and trying to turn this around on me.
I choose to defend the breeder-haters’ right to heap scorn on people and practices they don’t like. Or even people and practices they like, for that matter.
That’s right nigger-spic-faggot. But I bet the bigotted kikes in the moderating staff are gonna go all protocols of zion on me and shut me up in this post.
And as long as society at large recognizes that this is anti-social and not something to be respected as an alternative lifestyle, then that’s fine.
If it’s just about not having kids how come I can go to any childfree forum and click two or three links on the first page and find someone wishing death on children?
To me it sounds like sour grapes because in the other thread parenthood wasn’t being shown enough gratitude by all of us dam free-riders who aren’t doing our duty to society by popping out kids. (post 225).
This one is not so bad. It is actually a ray of light in a long stream of ugliness at childfree forums. But even there, their slogan is, “A safe haven in a baby-crazed world.”
It’s still not just about meeting and hanging out with other people who don’t want kids. It’s still negatively referential to the rest of society who do. The idea that people want kids is considered some kind of insanity.
I dunno, I live in New York where being childfree is not uncommon at all. It just doesn’t come up, it doesn’t matter here. No one gives a shit if you have kids or not.
In all honesty, a warning wouldn’t surprise me at all. Anyway, somebody out there is bigoted against something you are or something you practice, and they use less-than-polite terminology in the process.
Get over it.
And how many clicks does it take to get to the Family Guy references?
We notice the visible and obnoxious. That’s true of both groups.
People without children notice and comment on the screaming brats in restaurants because they have no reason to notice the ones who are removed before they get whiny, or the ones who are eating quietly.
People with children notice the childless by choice people who post obnoxious creeds on the internet but don’t notice the ones who have no children but don’t mind those who do. Because they aren’t passionate enough to start websites about, “I’m childfree, but I don’t mind if you aren’t”
Just because the noxious ones of all types make the most noise doesn’t mean they are the only types who exist.
Childless… childfree… (shrug) whatever term you wish to be called…
Palo Verde (mother of 4)
I think you should have some respect for human life, and the necessary role that parenthood plays in the propagation of human life. I think it’s at the core of basic decency.
You can dismiss it as sour grapes, but I think it’s important. The childfree want respect and yet all they have in return is profound disrespect.
It’s not ok for me to call you ‘childless’ but it’s ok for you to say any number of hateful things about parents.
It’s a one way street. You want respect but reserve the right to spread hate.
There used to be a notion of common decency, but people decided that because there was racism at the time people held such ideas as common decency that it’s not ok to target particular subgroups, but it’s perfectly ok to spew hatred in every general direction.
The same people spewing hatred of children would be appalled at racism or homophobia.
I’d have more respect for the propagaters of humanity if I felt like only the right people were doing the propagating.
And I love kids! My nieces and nephews are a blast. I may even have a couple some day. But raising children doesn’t make you a goddamned hero. If you’re a guy and you knock up the first broad who so much as gives you a handjob, I think that makes you kind of a schmuck. And why does it seem like the women who are most willing to pollute the earth by having way more children than is necessary tend to be ignorant sows? You don’t see intelligent and considerate women pumping out 5 kids.