# Chimera is a social justice warrior **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814 "2017-08-16T18:03:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/1 "2017-08-16T18:03:25Z")
A few days ago Chimera made [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20410615&postcount=332). > [@](#): > > A small piece of advice; > > When you see someone defending these assholes on FB, or claiming they are Democrats, or spouting lies; > > Click on their name. You’ll see their FB page. I’ve looked at several people and seen a lot of hate and evil on their pages. I also google them based on that information. Then I go back to where they posted their hate on other people’s, or public pages, and I call them out for what is on their own page. > > One guy turned out to be a county republican chair, yet he never condemns the violence, he claims it is all democrats doing it. > > Another guy turned out to be a vet who went through a long period of homelessness, but his facebook page is full of bible verses, ‘liberals should kill themselves’ and how government handouts are evil. :rolleyes: > > Call them out. They’re defending evil, they’re spreading misinformation. If they’re using Facebook, they’re openly telling everyone who they are, and their lives are open. Call them out. The following day the New York Times ran an [interesting story](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-doxxing.html). > [@](#): > > After a day of work at the Engineering Research Center at the University of Arkansas, Kyle Quinn had a pleasant Friday night in Bentonville with his wife and a colleague. They explored an art exhibition at the Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art and dined at an upscale restaurant. > > Then on Saturday, he discovered that social media sleuths had incorrectly identified him as a participant in a white nationalist rally some 1,100 miles away in Charlottesville, Va. Overnight, thousands of strangers across the country had been working together to share photographs of the men bearing Tiki torches on the University of Virginia campus. > [@](#): > > Mr. Quinn, who runs a laboratory dedicated to wound-healing research, was quickly flooded with vulgar messages on Twitter and Instagram, he said in an interview on Monday. Countless people he had never met demanded he lose his job, accused him of racism and posted his home address on social networks. > > Fearing for their safety, he and his wife stayed with a colleague this weekend. > [@](#): > > Simply looking at a photo can often lead to mistakes. There’s a lot of potential for human error related to lighting, positioning, how much of the face is seen, and how many similar faces are in the world, Mr. Decker said. > > Having a name isn’t enough, either. For example, there are several men with military backgrounds in the United States named James Alex Fields, the name of the man charged in Saturday’s fatal attack with a car on protesters in Charlottesville, Mr. Decker said. An attempt at confirming an identity in that case would have required a date of birth and address, at least. > [@](#): > > “There’s ostensibly a very quick jump into the first detail that emerges,” he said. > > People who then try to correct the record often feel drowned out by the false information. When I saw Chimera’s post it seemed iffy to me, however there was enough ambiguity that I wasn’t sure Chimera was personally calling out anyone on social media based on anything other than information right there on an individual’s social media profile. What was less clear was if the impression of the advice that was being given to others might lead to the risk of misidentifications (and possibly mob mentality). Thank you Chimera, for [clearing up that ambiguity today](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20417736&postcount=8). I recommend nobody here heed your advice. And if you want to play it off as a harmless goof, well you could have riffed without making into the exact mindset that has gotten innocent folks harassed and fired. > [@](#): > > Laying in bed this morning and thought; > > I’d like to get well ahead of them, then when they’re about a block away, step on a soap box and using my outdoor voice; > > "Ladies and Gentlemen, children of all ages! Get ready for America’s favorite family fun activity! DOX THE NAZI! As our nazi marchers grow closer, please bring out your cameras and be sure to get really good pictures of all of their faces. Share these on social media and with the news media! See these human scum get fired from their jobs, shunned and humiliated by their family and friends! A fun and patriotic activity that will have you and your friends laughing for years to come! > > Now folks, as they approach, remember, no violence. Don’t threaten them, don’t throw things, don’t hit them. Just take lots and lots of pictures of these idiots and be sure to share them with the public! > > LET’S ALL PLAY DOX THE NAZI!!!" ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/2 "2017-08-16T18:05:56Z")
You use the term social justice warrior as if it is a bad thing. What do you have against social justice? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/3 "2017-08-16T18:08:07Z")
I’m more of a social justice _worrier_ myself. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/4 "2017-08-16T18:13:09Z")
Thank you for this pitting, my very first. I will wear that term with pride. I do indeed fight for justice. Because justice doesn’t exist in this universe, but the beauty of being Human is that we can conceive of Justice and we can create it in our world. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/5 "2017-08-16T18:13:10Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You use the term social justice warrior as if it is a bad thing. What do you have against social justice? This is like saying, “You oppose MRAs? Why don’t you like men’s rights?” Or, why do you oppose “state’s rights, heritage, freedom, family values, liberty,” the Patriot Act, etc.? Plenty of good-sounding things can have bad connotations. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/6 "2017-08-16T18:16:50Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is like saying, “You oppose MRAs? Why don’t you like men’s rights?” > > Or, why do you oppose “state’s rights, heritage, freedom, family values, liberty,” the Patriot Act, etc.? > > Plenty of good-sounding things can have bad connotations. There’s a difference – SJW is used as a slur, and only a slur. There aren’t self-identified SJWs (except in jest, perhaps). MRA is used by people who advocate for what they consider men’s rights that are lacking – it’s their identifier. Same with states’ rights and other political signifiers. It’s like the difference between alt-right and alt-left. Alt-right is a real term that’s used by alt-right people to describe themselves. They came up with it. Alt-left is a made up term that some on the right have used to disparage liberals/progressives that they find extreme or otherwise distasteful. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/7 "2017-08-16T18:17:43Z")
Why not take the photos? Isn’t that what cameras are for? Who knows, you might win a Pulitzer prize. If I go to the next event I’m bringing my camera, but I’m using my 135mm lens. Don’t plan on getting too close. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/8 "2017-08-16T18:20:16Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > If I go to the next event I’m bringing my camera, but I’m using my 135mm lens. Don’t plan on getting too close. Hey, make sure to get good face shots of the guys in the middle of the pack too, not just the screaming jackasses on the edges. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/9 "2017-08-16T18:23:39Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > This is like saying, “You oppose MRAs? Why don’t you like men’s rights?” > > Or, why do you oppose “state’s rights, heritage, freedom, family values, liberty,” the Patriot Act, etc.? > > Plenty of good-sounding things can have bad connotations. Only if the people who are those things allow them to be used that way. I am a proud liberal. I don’t think it’s a bad thing. But some people use it as an epithet. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/10 "2017-08-16T18:25:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You use the term social justice warrior as if it is a bad thing. What do you have against social justice? Religion is all fun and games until we get the inquisition, witch trials, crusades, and other atrocities led by overly corrupt, psychopathic zealots who use a movement of “purity” for bad reasons. Social justice is the 21st century religion of the far left. It’s not about justice. It’s about shifting power structures. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/11 "2017-08-16T18:26:46Z")
Yeah, to me this is basically starting a pit thread saying that I’m a Good Guy and you somehow mean it as a bad thing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/12 "2017-08-16T18:28:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Religion is all fun and games until we get the inquisition, witch trials, crusades, and other atrocities led by overly corrupt, psychopathic zealots who use a movement of “purity” for bad reasons. Social justice is the 21st century religion of the far left. It’s not about justice. It’s about shifting power structures. Says the guy who is getting all nervous because the Nazis and White Supremacists are being called out as the shitbags they are. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/13 "2017-08-16T18:35:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Religion is all fun and games until we get the inquisition, witch trials, crusades, and other atrocities led by overly corrupt, psychopathic zealots who use a movement of “purity” for bad reasons. Social justice is the 21st century religion of the far left. It’s not about justice. It’s about shifting power structures. Perhaps the crazy version of “social justice” that lives in the fantasies of right-wing radio hosts (along with a very, very small number of actual liberals), but maintsream “social justice” is the platform of MLK Jr., LGBTQ rights activists, reproductive rights activists, and nothing about atrocities like the ones you mention. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/14 "2017-08-16T18:39:46Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Perhaps the crazy version of “social justice” that lives in the fantasies of right-wing radio hosts (along with a very, very small number of actual liberals), but maintsream “social justice” is the platform of MLK Jr., LGBTQ rights activists, reproductive rights activists, and nothing about atrocities like the ones you mention. Ruining lives and physically attacking people due to not being “virtuous” enough is happening in real life land, iiandyiiiii. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/15 "2017-08-16T18:40:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Ruining lives and physically attacking people due to not being “virtuous” enough is happening in real life land, iiandyiiiii. For being Nazis, for being White Nationalists, you twat. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/16 "2017-08-16T18:41:28Z")
SJW is supposed to be an insult by right-wingers that doesn’t work very well because those insulted consider it a badge of honor. LAME insult and even LAMER pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/17 "2017-08-16T18:43:09Z")
I know perfectly well what the issue is here, according to a pack of online “detectives” I was involved in one way or another (up to actual perpetrator) in a double murder and rape. Ironically enough, albeit not unexpectedly, as a consequence of speaking out against using social media as a means of dispensing justice. Some like to call it the “Court of Public Opinion”, I think it’s more akin to good old mob “justice” (I know, lot’s of quotation marks) or witch hunting. The problem with online mobs, of any stripe, is that unlike a real mob each individual member is largely unaware of the impact of their actions, one runs his mouth spouting some nonsense in earnest or in jest on some topic, the next one passes it around as speculation, next one down the line pushes it as unverified rumor, the next as “I heard from a reliable source” and before you know it everyone knows for a fact that the original hot air is rock solid information… possibly even the first person in the chain who sees his BS validated by “independent” sources. Then, of course the other problem is that the targets of, shall we say, amateur sleuths are left without recourse or redress, once something is out there it sticks, the truth be damned. Moral of the story, don’t encourage or join online mobs. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/18 "2017-08-16T18:46:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Ruining lives and physically attacking people due to not being “virtuous” enough is happening in real life land, iiandyiiiii. Yes, in a tiny fraction of the amount that gay people, people of color, women, etc., are being harmed by the lack of “virtue” in society and those with power. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/19 "2017-08-16T18:46:58Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > For being Nazis, for being White Nationalists, you twat. Except when they are not Nazis or White Nationalists, yay for “justice”, right? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/20 "2017-08-16T18:52:06Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > For being Nazis, for being White Nationalists, you twat. And Kyle Quinn is just regrettable collateral damage? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814.md?page=2)