# Chimera is a social justice warrior **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814 "2017-08-16T18:03:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/181 "2017-08-18T13:23:09Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I would suggest that (a) you’re just now seeing beliefs that have always existed, (b) that your statement above seems to me to explain what you see as “radicalization” on the left, and (c) that you probably underestimate the extent to which the leftists you disagree with feel that racism and Nazism are an ongoing, powerful, and direct existential threat to them. > > ETA: (d) There are very few to any fictional properties I can think of with Nazis that advocate reasonable dialogue and non violence towards them, and many many that involve punching them. 😃 I’m not at all in denial about the very real threat of racism in this country. These people are a threat because a lot of Americans are racist. Many racists won’t outright say it, but they do sympathize with these guys. Trump knows that. That’s part of the reason I find their sudden public presence so disturbing. But I’d feel better about doxxing Nazis if a certain small contingent of those on the radical left weren’t reacting to this basically the same way they react to everything. Some of them think ruining lives over the cultural appropriation of a taco stand is a sound strategy. Some of them think violence is the proper way to deal with _any_ conflict. I don’t trust their judgment about who deserves to suffer\*. They just happen to be right in this case. If I endorse it, am I in effect endorsing it as an acceptable tactic in general for quashing dissent? And what happens when it’s me saying something they don’t like? \*nonviolently Serious question, is this as bad as it feels? Not only the presence of white supremacists but the entire dynamic going on in this country. Is it worse than usual? Is this a flash in the pan or a harbinger of worse to come? It feels bad. Trump is bad enough, but the ideological rifts forming between citizens are really disturbing to me. Things have always been tense, but this feels like radicalization. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/182 "2017-08-18T13:57:21Z")
Oh, I was gonna add that mockery is probably a good tactic for the KKK. As I understand it, the old Superman comics (radio?) had a big role in delegitimizing the KKK. DC sent in a spy to their secret meetings and then publicized their ridiculous rituals, effectively humiliating them and tarnishing their image. I think that’s a good strategy. Something like what’s been done with Cantwell. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/183 "2017-08-18T14:05:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Again. Another person who can’t read. I engage the topic. I insult the people who insult me. If you don’t insult me then I respond in kind. It’s when people persist in lying is when I respond. That’s a lie. You are bad at keeping track of who insulted you, I guess, as you have thrown quite a bit of invective towards me, and I had not insulted you. My very first interactions with you suprised me, as it was not even from a reply to your post, but you just came out of no where with some pretty vile accusations levied at me. I’ve thrown a few mild insults at you since then, but I most certainly was not the first to fire a shot. You may be trying to respond “in kind”, but not to the actual people that may have insulted you. You also seem to have a very thin skin, and take any sort of disagreement as an insult. You also take any sort of disagreement as proof that your opponent is stupid or otherwise mentally impaired, and throw those insults out, long before they have insulted you in any way. You call people liars if they do not agree with your twisted interpretations of their words. You call people mentally deficient because they don’t agree with your argument. Now, I suppose that if you really consider any sort of disagreement to be an insult, then I can see where you are coming from, you get insulted quite a bit if you are using that definition. But, yeah, overall, you are disingenuous, you deliberately misinterpret other’s arguments, you insist that only your interpretation can possibly be correct. Then you lash out at anyone who dares disagree with you. And then you whine and cry that no one is being fair to you, and that is the only reason why you have to “strike back” with your pathetic array of insults. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/184 "2017-08-18T14:18:52Z")
I more or less agree. We aren’t all the same person and we don’t all deserve the same response. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/185 "2017-08-18T18:19:58Z")
For anyone confused, the fact I didn’t insult Chimera in my post body, I merely recommend not heeding their advice (and continue to do), could suggest I don’t necessarily see the “social justice warrior” label as an insult. And I don’t, I think there are numerous conceivable connotations. > [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I’m more of a social justice _worrier_ myself. Haha, I have never seen that before now and I have actually thought of myself as one also for the past year or two. In general activism doesn’t suit me. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/186 "2017-08-18T19:51:46Z")
Poor Covfefe. Everyone’s talking about that dipshit, octopus, and not focusing on the OP’s feelings of worry. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/187 "2017-08-18T20:03:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Don’t be a coward. Advocate what you wish. If it’s illegal, that’s the risk you take with a justice department led by Jeff Sessions. Coward? Well hell. I will take pictures if I get the chance. Try to do something about it. And IF I actually know the slob, I also WILL provide the name to the cops. They like having evidence and witnesses when it’s time to bust rioters. And fuck Jefferson Davis BoReeGard Whatever Sessions. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/188 "2017-08-18T21:16:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So, the Pit shouldn’t be a place of indiscriminate name calling and lies? Because that’s what it is. It’s unfortunate but true. The administration of this site obviously thinks it’s a good idea for posters to lie about and insult each other. > > What good is it trying to rise above the fray when a pack of rabid, lying, losers makes it nearly impossible? > > What I want to know is if people who are advocating violence and breaking the law with regards to doxing are actually standing by their words. It’s the fucking PIT, Snowflake. Grow the fuck up and quit being a two faced whiny asshole. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/189 "2017-08-18T22:44:39Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s the fucking PIT, Snowflake. Grow the fuck up and quit being a two faced whiny asshole. Oh? I’d rather not take advice from a deranged, unhinged, psychopathic drooling retard who makes Der Trihs look like a voice of reason. Potty mouth. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/190 "2017-08-18T23:15:35Z")
I guess I FINALLY hit a nerve, pussy boy. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/191 "2017-08-18T23:39:44Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I guess I FINALLY hit a nerve, pussy boy. You got me! Got me all triggered. My dander is up. I have to wonder why you are here typing when you say you want to smash some skulls and dox some people? Couldn’t you be more productive doing what you say you want done instead of hoping better people act on your behalf? Put down the Doritos, take off the carpal tunnel syndrome brace, and get to work. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/192 "2017-08-18T23:46:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You got me! Got me all triggered. My dander is up. I have to wonder why you are here typing when you say you want to smash some skulls and dox some people? Couldn’t you be more productive doing what you say you want done instead of hoping better people act on your behalf? > > Put down the Doritos, take off the carpal tunnel syndrome brace, and get to work. Run off to your safe space, Snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/193 "2017-08-18T23:54:45Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Run off to your safe space, Snowflake. Oh. Another sick burn! Ouch. Where you get these from? Snowflake? Why’d you have to go that far? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/194 "2017-08-19T00:19:50Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > … I don’t necessarily see the “social justice warrior” label as an insult. … When the term irks someone, I think it isn’t because the term is understood as an insult so much. It’s mostly the fact that only assholes use the term, and they never intend it as a compliment. Someone who uses terms as single purposed as this generally has trouble forming original thoughts and beliefs, and instead relies on talking points, terms, and buzzwords- all meaningless- delivered from their heros. So the irksome part, to those irked, is being addressed by an asshole in the first place, not the assholes intent. ---
**Author:** ![Amara\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7993a0/32.png) [@Amara\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amara_1)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/195 "2017-08-19T00:30:52Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’m not at all in denial about the very real threat of racism in this country. These people are a threat because a lot of Americans are racist. Many racists won’t outright say it, but they do sympathize with these guys. Trump knows that. That’s part of the reason I find their sudden public presence so disturbing. **Leaper** ’s post was really good and I agree with him. I don’t think you fully understand how it feels to be a visible target group or how much the atmosphere has changed since Trump was the Republican nominee. > [@](#): > > But I’d feel better about doxxing Nazis if a certain small contingent of those on the radical left weren’t reacting to this basically the same way they react to everything. Some of them think ruining lives over the cultural appropriation of a taco stand is a sound strategy. This is where you lose me. For you, it seems like this is still mostly an intellectual exercise. For me, it’s not. Comparing the response to folks advocating genocide to cultural appropriation over a taco stand effectively compares and diminishes what has actually happened. The Friday night video of the protesters surrounding, taunting and then assaulting a group of college students is scary and resulted in real harm to real people. And FWIW, the courage and bravery of those student is _seriously_ being downplayed. Cornel West saying that clergy members would have been hurt that Friday night by protestors. For praying. I don’t see your comparison as valid and bringing up stupid items that the left does doesn’t make sense to me _in this context_. It really seems and feels like you are trying to equate the feelings of the protestors and their “free speech\*” advocates with those affected both directly by the events in Charlottesville but elsewhere. The video posted on this board of the black guy being taunted at a restaurant is exactly what protesters wanted; they want minorities to be hurt, attacked and killed across the country. > [@](#): > > Serious question, is this as bad as it feels? Not only the presence of white supremacists but the entire dynamic going on in this country. Is it worse than usual? Is this a flash in the pan or a harbinger of worse to come? It feels bad. Trump is bad enough, but the ideological rifts forming between citizens are really disturbing to me. Things have always been tense, but this feels like radicalization. Comparing cultural appropriation to a group advocating for genocide with the support of the President? You seem quite disturbed by any response from the left on this and keep calling it radicalization or being disturbed by their response. Why? What do _you_ think the response should be? \*Because of course, their advocacy of free speech stops at certain ideological groups. The ACLU gets it; they support free speech but not heavily armed attempts at intimidation. ---
**Author:** ![Amara\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7993a0/32.png) [@Amara\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amara_1)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/196 "2017-08-19T00:34:44Z")
Hey Spice, This [story](https://www.gq.com/story/charlottesville-white-supremacist-strips-to-escape-protestors) actually does a good job of explaining what I’m talking about… > [@](#): > > As I filmed officers opening up a blocked street, a young man ran into view, screaming for help. He wore the khaki-and-white uniform of the white nationalist group Vanguard America. He had been separated from them and was being chased by at least one protester. He ripped off his shirt and begged the crowd for mercy. He wasn’t actually into white power, you see > … > But by the look of things, the fun of shouting “white power” stopped as soon as he was threatened with the same violence his group brought to bear on others. Cut off from the pack, forced to face the consequences of his inflammatory behavior, he found escape in a costume change > … > Since I’m a person of color, my identity is not a uniform I can take off when I am feeling unsafe… Like all minorities, I’ve grown used to the way that difference marks me—the burden of being ever ready for the moment my skin turns me into a target for angry white men determined to take back what they think the world owes them. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/197 "2017-08-19T06:38:56Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > When the term irks someone, I think it isn’t because the term is understood as an insult so much. It’s mostly the fact that only assholes use the term, and they never intend it as a compliment. Someone who uses terms as single purposed as this generally has trouble forming original thoughts and beliefs, and instead relies on talking points, terms, and buzzwords- all meaningless- delivered from their heros. So the irksome part, to those irked, is being addressed by an asshole in the first place, not the assholes intent. That’s some impressive generalisin’ there, Lou. Shame it’s wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/198 "2017-08-19T14:28:45Z")
All good points, Amara. Thanks for your input. I’m still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing and understand the dynamics currently at play in this country. One thing is clear: we have a responsibility not to allow the normalization of hate. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/199 "2017-08-19T14:47:08Z")
[QUOTE=Amara] Comparing cultural appropriation to a group advocating for genocide with the support of the President? You seem quite disturbed by any response from the left on this and keep calling it radicalization or being disturbed by their response. Why? What do _you_ think the response should be? [/QUOTE] I just wanted to clarify that I was talking about two different things and apparently muddied the waters. The cultural appropriation thing was in response to the general subject of doxxing, not Charlottesville. There is no comparison. When I say radicalization on the left concerning me, I’m referring specifically to those who engage in violence as a preemptive strategy. Leftist violence concerns me specifically because I think it’s more likely to galvanize the right about the “dangerous” left and result in, if not outright civil war, widespread violence that claims many lives. Basically, I don’t want people to die. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/200 "2017-08-19T14:54:15Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > All good points, Amara. Thanks for your input. > > I’m still trying to wrap my head around this whole thing and understand the dynamics currently at play in this country. One thing is clear: we have a responsibility not to allow the normalization of hate. [John Cleese explained it just perfectly many years ago.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLZqEE7d9Sw) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814.md?page=11)