# Chimera is a social justice warrior **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814 "2017-08-16T18:03:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/81 "2017-08-16T23:57:07Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Hey, the prodigal OP returns! > > And endorses the work of one of the biggest morons on the board! > > So how’d this thread work out for you? See, you know you can’t refute any of the points. That’s why you and your fellow hyenas don’t even attempt to address them. So you have a bit of an echo chamber at the SDMB, where it matters the law agrees with me. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/82 "2017-08-17T00:01:15Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > octopus? He doesn’t actually care. He just wants to makes sure liberals get the blame for it. Please use logic and _try_ to read. > [@running\_coach](#): > > How do you know it’s irrelevant if you didn’t read it? Listen people, I don’t need to read the whole article to agree with your premise that people on the right behave badly as well. Which is what I wrote initially. Yes, people on the right can also be bad, evil, whatever adjective you want to use, ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/83 "2017-08-17T00:50:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …as the official designated Social Justice Warrior on these boards: I can categorically state that doxxing is bad. Don’t do it. It was bad when the wrong driver got doxxed after the Charlottesville attack. It was bad when Kyle Quinn got doxxed. It isn’t just the person who you are doxxing that gets hurt. Its the collateral damage: when innocent parents, children, family, schools, workplaces have to put up with threatening phone calls and get driven off the internet. I have no sympathy for nazis. But just as Trump is rightly being called a hypocrite for not calling out the white supremacists when he campaigned on using the words “radical islamic terror” we are hypocrites if endorse doxxing “approved targets.” > > I watched the rise of the alt-right. Nobody on these boards know how evil and how terrible they are than me. 3 years of goobergate. Watching what these scumbags shitfucks did. Doxxing is their weapon. It shouldn’t be ours. Though then one can ask, how far does it go? If someone shows up to a high profile event with media coverage, and makes no effort to conceal their identity, is it morally wrong to put a name to the face? Is publicly publishing the hidden private information of a nameless, faceless internet poster the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/84 "2017-08-17T01:17:27Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …as the official designated Social Justice Warrior on these boards: I can categorically state that doxxing is bad. Don’t do it. It was bad when the wrong driver got doxxed after the Charlottesville attack. It was bad when Kyle Quinn got doxxed. It isn’t just the person who you are doxxing that gets hurt. Its the collateral damage: when innocent parents, children, family, schools, workplaces have to put up with threatening phone calls and get driven off the internet. I have no sympathy for nazis. But just as Trump is rightly being called a hypocrite for not calling out the white supremacists when he campaigned on using the words “radical islamic terror” we are hypocrites if endorse doxxing “approved targets.” > > I watched the rise of the alt-right. Nobody on these boards know how evil and how terrible they are than me. 3 years of goobergate. Watching what these scumbags shitfucks did. Doxxing is their weapon. It shouldn’t be ours. +1 I really, really like **Chimera**. I really, really hate doxxing and mob justice. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/85 "2017-08-17T01:19:59Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Well, yeah. His life isn’t ruined. He just got misidentified for a bit. The mistake was made public, and things are fine for him now. It’s regrettable that he got caught up in it for a bit. Knock off this apologist bullshit. At least have the stones to admit \*someone innocent was hurt. - ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/86 "2017-08-17T01:26:41Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I really, really hate doxxing and mob justice. While I can understand why some might feel that way, it is their reliance on anonymity that keeps them from the consequences of their actions. I don’t believe anyone practicing hate crimes deserves anonymity. We see how they cry and whine like the true cowards they are when they are made to face the consequences of their actions, and we see how emboldened they are when they have no fear of being known. Besides, having names to the faces and actions makes them human, not monsters to be afraid of in the dark. I want to know the faces of my enemies, and I want to know their names. And I want them to know that WE know who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/87 "2017-08-17T02:27:02Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Though then one can ask, how far does it go? If someone shows up to a high profile event with media coverage, and makes no effort to conceal their identity, is it morally wrong to put a name to the face? Is publicly publishing the hidden private information of a nameless, faceless internet poster the same thing? …“nameless, faceless internet posters” aren’t the only people that get doxxed. Lena Dunham is not a nameless, faceless internet poster. She got doxxed by a vice contributor (who promptly got fired.) Felicia Day spoke out against goobergate once: and she got doxxed immediately. Randi Harper had people showing up at her place of work and taking selfies outside the front doors. And all of the doxxers used the very same rationale that you have: they are in public, with no effort to conceal their identity. It isn’t just what happens to the doxxed. It what happens to their families. Harper had to move across country. Brianna Wu had to move out of her house. Their parents still get harassed. So “how far does it go?” Thats entirely up to you. Have you doxxed anyone? I know I haven’t. Is that how far you will go? [QUOTE=Chimera] While I can understand why some might feel that way, it is their reliance on anonymity that keeps them from the consequences of their actions. I don’t believe anyone practicing hate crimes deserves anonymity. [/QUOTE] You haven’t said a single word about Kyle Quinn in this thread apart from it was “just flat out wrong.” But what happened to Quinn is the inevitable consequence of normalising doxxing. When people are blowing up pixelated photos of people and crowd-sourcing identities you are always going to get some things wrong. This isn’t a fucking game. The consequences of doxxing are enormous. Getting it wrong is devastating. Its scary, its emotionally traumatizing, you are forced to disengage from social media, you stop reading your inbox, its fucking expensive. Advocating for doxxing and then shrugging your shoulders when you get an innocent person is just fucking wrong. Just stop advocating doxxing in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/88 "2017-08-17T02:29:08Z")
Suggested reading: [So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed.](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L9B7IRC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/89 "2017-08-17T02:39:49Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You haven’t said a single word about Kyle Quinn in this thread apart from it was “just flat out wrong.” Either you’ve missed the majority of what I wrote about it, or you are selectively reading so that you can lecture me about it. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/90 "2017-08-17T02:50:09Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Hey, if that person gets sued for the damage he did by mis-identifying someone, I don’t have a lot of sympathy. Its called Defamation of Character. Like with firearms, one of the strict rules is to be aware of your target. You make damned sure of your target before you pull the trigger. > > And frankly, anyone threatening or harassing the families of these people should be charged as well. Their families did nothing to deserve it. > > But I’ll still say that every damned one of these Nazis should be publicly identified. If the ones who were threatening that synagogue were identified for all the world to see, I don’t think there would be quite so many willing to do it the next time. Internet justice/doxxing isn’t a sniper rifle, though - it’s an IED that can cause plenty of collateral damage. That’s what’s scary about it - it’s damned hard to be sure of your target. ETA: What **Banquet Bear** said, since she said it better. > [@Chimera](#): > > While I can understand why some might feel that way, it is their reliance on anonymity that keeps them from the consequences of their actions. I don’t believe anyone practicing hate crimes deserves anonymity. We see how they cry and whine like the true cowards they are when they are made to face the consequences of their actions, and we see how emboldened they are when they have no fear of being known. > > Besides, having names to the faces and actions makes them human, not monsters to be afraid of in the dark. > > I want to know the faces of my enemies, and I want to know their names. And I want them to know that WE know who they are. Completely agree that no one practising hate crimes is deserving of anonymity. But marching in a protest, even in support of a hateful cause, is not a hate crime. I speak under correction, but so far as I know, there’s no evidence that two guys who’ve lost their jobs did anything save march, chant slogans, and publicly show themselves to be racist douchebags. And for that, their employers fired them. You don’t have to be a white supremacist to find that … worrisome. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/91 "2017-08-17T02:53:21Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Either you’ve missed the majority of what I wrote about it, or you are selectively reading so that you can lecture me about it. …oh fuck off with the “lecture me” bullshit. We are in the fucking pit. I was actually trying my best to be polite, because you are one of the posters I respect. But I’m calling it as I see it. I’ve read your posts in this thread. The inevitable consequences of the position you advocate is that **innocent people will get doxxed.** It isn’t enough to just be “sorry” about that. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/92 "2017-08-17T02:58:39Z")
I explained my position. You do not have to agree. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/93 "2017-08-17T03:02:04Z")
Low Carb Brownies Ingredients 8 ounces sugar free Chocolate Chips 1/2 cup butter 1/2 cup avocado oil or choice 2 eggs 1 yolk 2 tsp vanilla extract 1 tsp chocolate liquid stevia 1/4 cup heavy cream 3/4 cup 3.5 oz (99g) sugar free sweetener 1/4 cup 1 oz (27g) coconut flour 1 scoop 1.2 oz ( 34g) chocolate protein powder 1/4 cup 0.8oz (20g) unsweetened cocoa powder 2 tsp instant coffee 1/2 tsp baking powder 1/4 tsp salt optional: 1 cup sugar free chocolate chips Instructions Melt the chocolate chips and butter over low heat on the stove or microwave for 1-2 minutes and stir until completely smooth. Set aside. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F. Add the oil, eggs, yolk, vanilla extract, stevia and cream to a stand mixer and mix until combined. Slowly pour in the melted chocolate while the mixer is on low speed. Add the remaining ingredients and blend until combined. Stir in the optional chocolate chips if desired. Line an 8 by 8 pan with parchment paper or grease pan. Pour in batter and bake for 25 minutes. It might look underdone but it’s best to take it out before it looks done to achieve that gooey texture. Allow to cool 15 minutes before slicing. Best if enjoyed the same day although storing in the fridge, covered, will keep it well for the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/94 "2017-08-17T03:17:26Z")
I knew **Chimera** was a feminazi cuckservative but _this_?! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/95 "2017-08-17T03:29:39Z")
I learned a new word today. Doxxing Regarding social justice warriors, another term I’ve only encountered on the SDMB, I don’t think there are very many people who actually fit the pejorative definition. “I don’t give a shit about social justice, I just want to shame people for kicks,” is not an attitude I see in real life people. I will grant you there are people, mostly younger, that see the world a bit too black and white and are quite enthusiastic to display their newfound social awareness. They usually grow out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/96 "2017-08-17T03:58:04Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > But marching in a protest, even in support of a hateful cause, is not a hate crime. Under current law, or on a larger moral scale? I personally don’t see any way that someone can march under the aegis of a group that wants to murder minorities and not believe that murdering minorities is a good thing. It’s easy to be academic about something that doesn’t directly threaten you. But we’re talking a lot about that in GD. ETA: Also, I thought that one of the big arguments in regards to free speech is that it doesn’t mean freedom from consequences? I’m not sure how you argue that making more widely known people who advocate mass murder is morally wrong and not be arguing that their speech needs to be free of consequence. The wrong target thing is a problem, I freely admit, but then again, we don’t ban the police when they misidentify people either. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/97 "2017-08-17T04:10:29Z")
I despise the idea of doxxing, because it is a tool used to harm and shame people for daring to express an opinion. On the other hand, a lot of the power these asshats love to wield is that of a scary form in the shadows. Those shadows embolden Nazis to espouse their views. If your orthodoxy is so hateful, so violent, have the courage to leave the hoods at home. But on that original hand, it is used to hurt people for expressing harmless opinions too. So… I am torn. I wont weep for the doxed Nazis, but I wont help either. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/98 "2017-08-17T04:17:35Z")
Well as I said before, I fully support innocent parties filing Defamation of Character lawsuits against the people who harm them in this manner, and I support the law being used against the asshats who harass and threaten their families. I don’t care if you think you’re the cannibal vampire reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, your family is not guilty of your crimes and don’t deserve abuse. But Nazi-ism is an ideology of hate and murder. It is in no way innocent and I won’t ever buy claims of people ‘just joking’ or ‘having a bit of fun’. If you’re marching with the fucking Nazis, you’re a Nazi. And you advocate killing a great many people. Anonymity is a weapon to these assholes, and we need to take it away from them. ---
**Author:** ![Melcalc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melcalc/32/468_2.png) [@Melcalc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melcalc)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/99 "2017-08-17T05:08:36Z")
I like to brand myself as a Skeleton Jazz Wizard, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814/100 "2017-08-17T05:22:57Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > If you are arguing that exposing actual Nazis is wrong because someone very unfortunately was hurt by idiots, then surely, based on the history of wrongdoing to black people in this country, you’ve spent your life protesting the profiling, false arrests and stop-and-frisk policies against them on the same grounds, correct? I was a public defender, so, for much of my professional life. . .yes. But the fact that I can answer ‘yes,’ does not transform your question into one of relevance. Even if I had never taken one step towards attacking false arrests, they’d still be violative of the Fourth Amendment. And whether they are or not violative pf the Fourth Amendment has no relevance to the question of how wise it is to celebrate Internet sleuthing when it’s done by untrained people who cannot easily be held liable for their gross negligence in violation of clearly established law. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chimera-is-a-social-justice-warrior/793814.md?page=6)