# China Bans Effeminate Men From TV **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 2, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016 "2021-09-02T22:07:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/21 "2021-09-03T05:49:06Z")
Did this banning of effeminate men from Chinese TV remind anyone else of Hans and Franz from SNL? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/22 "2021-09-03T07:37:07Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > US no longer providing security for China’s Belt and Road initiative that goes through Afganistan, etc. Wandering way off topic here, but how long before China feels compelled to try to fill the vacuum, if only with soft(er) power tactics (and are the areas they’d be most interested in solidly Taliban or more under the sway of local warlords)? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/23 "2021-09-14T11:40:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > If you read between the lines, it’s clear that the CCP is very nervous about _something_ . And I think we might now know what that “something” is. It’s called Evergrande. [https://www.wsj.com/articles/evergrandes-cash-problem-is-now-beijings-political-problem-11631618922](https://www.wsj.com/articles/evergrandes-cash-problem-is-now-beijings-political-problem-11631618922) Their collapse, as with Lehman in 2008, makes a reasonable person wonder, is this problem limited to this one company, or are we just getting this party started? Off-topic, but I also have to wonder about U.S. exposure, as well as exposure in other markets. This’ll be a story to watch ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/24 "2021-09-14T12:03:35Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Heh. Does anybody imagine that warrior-type martial artists like Bruce Lee received even a fraction of the mating opportunities, to put it delicately, that famous Asian boyband singers get these days? > > Historically and culturally, absent an actual war or other physical survival situation, the only real function of conventional “masculinity” is to attract chicks, to put it not so delicately. If “effeminate” men are doing just fine and dandy in the chick-attracting stakes, then is complaining about their “effeminacy” anything but plain old envy? > > I’m strongly reminded of similar critiques in 18th-century Europe about “beaux” and “dandies” and “macaronis”, all of which likewise carry a strong whiff of non-pretty men being butthurt that pretty men are getting more dates than they are. I’m pretty sure Xi wasn’t thinking: “I want the males of my country to get laid more often”. This is about optics. He wants to portray his country as one NOT to be trifled with. A country full of strong manly men. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/25 "2021-09-14T12:18:36Z")
Xi isn’t concerned about taking over the world. He is just concerned about his own power. Sabre rattling at other countries, and being militaristic, is all about pointing the young males - the dangerous element in any human population - at an enemy outward so they don’t start thinking about the enemy inward - him. This thing is going to go one of two ways. Xi is going to actually start a shooting war outward, to keep things focused outward, or there’s going to be an internal battle as he is overthrown as the old silverback always is, eventually. The best for all of us if it’s the latter and it’s not terribly bloody. The worst could be very, very bad. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/26 "2021-09-14T13:28:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I’m strongly reminded of similar critiques in 18th-century Europe about “beaux” and “dandies” and “macaronis”, all of which likewise carry a strong whiff of non-pretty men being butthurt that pretty men are getting more dates than they are. Bear in mind, though, that to some degree those critiques worked: the 19th Century saw a return to “manhood”, with virtually all the male luminaries of the time growing massive beards to emphasize their masculinity. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/27 "2021-09-14T15:13:57Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Bear in mind, though, that to some degree those critiques worked Absolutely: in the fragile masculinity of patriarchal culture, critiques that some subset of men are being too “feminine” pretty much always work, to some degree. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/28 "2021-09-20T21:56:21Z")
Are they letting butch women on TV in China? Is Mulan cool? ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/29 "2021-09-21T01:33:29Z")
This just one of a whole bunch of new rules China has come out with lately to attack the entertainment industry. Such as: — Playing video games by schoolchildren is forbidden, except for a few hours on the weekend. —Lip syncing in concerts is now forbidden. —Concerts by K-pop artists are banned. I frankly am not sure what all this means, except that they somehow think popular culture is a threat. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/30 "2021-09-21T01:43:32Z")
Like the grunge hippie rebel teenager who turned into a strict Boomer dad when he grew up, the CCP is now behaving more meddlesome-“show-me-your-grades” dad like than the traditional authority its Red Guards were all about overthrowing back in the day. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/31 "2021-09-21T12:44:53Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Are they letting butch women on TV in China? Is Mulan cool? Butch women aren’t the same kind of threat to a Patriarchy that effeminate men are. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats2)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016/32 "2021-09-21T21:53:39Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Butch women aren’t the same kind of threat to a Patriarchy that effeminate men are. Butch women are seen as aspiring to have masculine traits. Effeminate men are seen as lowering themselves to have feminine traits. So this all relates to misogyny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-bans-effeminate-men-from-tv/950016.md?page=1)