# China Conquers US. Do you fight back? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493 "2021-06-17T22:03:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/61 "2021-06-18T01:59:15Z")
Did you ever play D&D? Would you ever play with a DM who doesn’t have a scenario, changes the rules arbitrarily, and refuses to answer questions? Would you play? ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/62 "2021-06-18T02:05:03Z")
yes. the DM was called TokyoBayer. China has conquered the US. What do YOU do? Other than nitpick the OP? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/63 "2021-06-18T02:06:52Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > What are the strategies and tactics and how will that cause the Chinese to pack up and leave? If China sends a large number of colonists to North America, as I expect they would, their all packing up and leaving would be an unrealistic goal… After Taiwan was overrun by murderous Chinese in the late 1940’s, the invaders never left. But the Chinese were eventually neutralized by intermarriage with Taiwanese. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/64 "2021-06-18T02:13:19Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > Do you join the armed resistance? Expect that by the time this scenario comes into play Australia will have run out of iron ore to sell to PRC and will be what Singapore’s [Lee Kuan Yew - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew) once described as the poor white trash of SE Asia. So the fight will have long been lost from this dog. But I’ve seen those Youtube videos of US patriots launching an armed insurrection against an oppressive government fairly recently. Fellas, I gotta tell ya, the visuals aren’t good. Handy sized and motivated crowd for the purpose, but lacking some strategic direction, overwhelm a couple of lightweight pedestrian barriers which didn’t even have razor wire, break a couple of windows, do a bit of opportunistic looting and then go home whinging about getting maced. A long way short of “Remember the Alamo”. ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/65 "2021-06-18T02:16:48Z")
ok thanks for joining the conversation. but i have no idea what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/66 "2021-06-18T02:25:43Z")
Well I guess that nobody is going to win a war of resistance if the only weapon in your arsenal is irony so it’s no importance if you don’t have it. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/67 "2021-06-18T02:35:53Z")
OK, so you’ve established that the Chinese space lasers only work against military targets. That frees up the U.S. civilian populace. Important point. 340 million Americans, many of whom own guns, is not a trivial insurgency to put down. We’re talking something two orders of magnitude greater than what the U.S. itself faced in post-2003 Iraq. Furthermore, China would presumably have its hands dealing with many other things as well - it probably wouldn’t just be America, it would have gone to war with a lot of other nations too, right? How many troops can China possibly station in America to suppress an insurgency? Even if 1 million (which is already around half the size of the entire PLA at the moment,) that’s tiny compared to the many millions of Americans. It will be very difficult for China to quell things. ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/68 "2021-06-18T02:48:22Z")
In my scenario, the US government has unconditionally surrendered. The populace is placated by keeping their jobs, houses, etc. We even have UHC and whatever pro communist things you can think of. 340 million Americans aren’t gonna rise up with their guns. ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/69 "2021-06-18T03:03:42Z")
It is bedtime for this oldoaktree. 1. I kinda expected the small minority of conservative Dopers to be like hell yeah id fight. 2. Most liberal dopers to be like well we don’t believe in violence and make excuses for the CCP 3. Some liberals to be prone to action. My impression is that liberals just ignored the premise. and the concept of armed rebellion against an invading force didnt register with them. See ya tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/70 "2021-06-18T03:27:35Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > I kinda expected the small minority of conservative Dopers to be like hell yeah id fight. I’m close enough to a conservative around here. I take up my guns and . . . head for the Mexican boarders. My family and I are moving to Chile. I have no urge to raise my family in an authoritarian communist country and I’m not going to abandon my family to fight some rebellion. So we panning what we can and getting help from the local coyotes. I’ve got friends in Paraguay that will take me in until we can arrange emigration to Chile where both my wife and I can work and have a nice life living on the beach making booze. ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/71 "2021-06-18T03:38:35Z")
I’ve lived in authoritarian countries. People are still free to make lifestyle decisions and go about their daily business. Except for extreme forms like Ceausescu’s Romania, human rights don’t really make a lot of difference to a great majority of the people. A simple majority can be as authoritarian as a ruling regime. In a corrupt state, bribery and petty administrative indifference can be the game-changers. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/72 "2021-06-18T03:39:44Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > We even have UHC and whatever pro communist things you can think of. UCH is procommunist? Like Canada? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/73 "2021-06-18T04:02:30Z")
I’m very unlikely to join the resistance. I’m married and I have a young child. Might try to flee the country. There are very few things I’m willing to die for, and my family is two of them. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/74 "2021-06-18T04:04:32Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > yes. the DM was called TokyoBayer. > > China has conquered the US. What do YOU do? Other than nitpick the OP? As per the OP: **I AM THE DM NOW** My dungeon, my rules. Not only do the Chinese have space weapons, they also can read minds. Hey! no questions allowed! Rule 1: anyone joins the resistance or even thinks about joining the resistance and the 10 most populous states are zapped. All women, men and children. Dogs may be sad and cats now have a new source of food for a while but they are all gone. And the rules are changed so that civilians and even entire states can be fried. 1. For all subsequent occasions of joining a resistance or thinking about protecting themselves, the next 10 most populous states will be zapped. This continues until no states remain. 2. No questioning the rules or the next 10 states get zapped. Washington DC counts as a state, just because. 3. Once a state is zapped, no poster living in that state can post. > [@panache45](#): > > Doing nothing would be suicide. I couldn’t live under an authoritarian system. I don’t know what an old fart like me could do, but I’d definitely fight back. OK, I warned you. Well, I didn’t. These are arbitrary rules which get changed at my whims with no sense of realism, but it’s my dungeon, my rules. Too bad. The following states are gone, with a list of their populations. | US population | 328,300,544 | | --- | --- | | California | 39,512,223 | | Texas | 28,995,881 | | Florida | 21,477,737 | | New York | 19,453,561 | | Pennsylvania | 12,801,989 | | Illinois | 12,671,821 | | Ohio | 11,689,100 | | Georgia | 10,617,423 | | North Carolina | 10,488,084 | | Michigan | 9,986,857 | | Total | 177,694,676 | | Remaining population | 150,605,868 | OK who is next? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/75 "2021-06-18T04:15:01Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Okay. In my magical world I can just wish the Chinese away. Or are you the only one allowed to make this shit up as you go? The also counts since I can make up shit as we go along. My DM, my rules. Zapped: | New Jersey | 8,882,190 | | --- | --- | | Virginia | 8,535,519 | | Washington | 7,614,893 | | Arizona | 7,278,717 | | Massachusetts | 6,949,503 | | Tennessee | 6,833,174 | | Indiana | 6,732,219 | | Missouri | 6,137,428 | | Maryland | 6,045,680 | | Wisconsin | 5,822,434 | | Total | 70,831,757 | | Remaining population | 79,774,111 | For US posters, please certify that you are not in one of the zapped states. For all others, laugh at the stupid Americans. I expect Canadian to not laugh though. You guys are all just too nice. > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’m very unlikely to join the resistance. I’m married and I have a young child. Might try to flee the country. Are you in any of the zapped states? If so, I’m really sorry! You had been one of my favorite posters. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/76 "2021-06-18T04:19:47Z")
cite that China provides UHC (that you would actually want), subsidized housing for the poor, and unfettered crony capitalism (if you think that’s a good thing)? Methinks your floating a hypothetical that we have Chinese overlords that provide a pretty decent society as long as one doesn’t question their right to rule. I think that decent society assumption trade-off is waaaaaaaaay out there for a hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![Didi44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@Didi44](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didi44)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/77 "2021-06-18T04:30:58Z")
I would wait it out because the Confucian philosophy that underlies all Chinese political thinking during his life and after his death, can’t tolerate those who fail to accept it and assimilate. When I took some Chinese history courses and China grew and shrank the capital moved North and South, the question always raised was “What makes a people Chinese?” and the professor’s answer was, “If you understand and accept Confucian philosophy and Chinese ways, you’re Chinese.” I can’t find the quote and it may be apocryphal but supposedly a Chinese Emperor was asked why they never invaded Vietnam, he said “The would never accept the Chinese ways. They’re too independent”. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/78 "2021-06-18T04:33:13Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > UCH is procommunist? Like Canada? In some corners of the Web, Canada is full-blown socialist, communist, and Marxist, all at the same time; Justin Trudeau (who, incidentally, is Fidel Castro’s illegitimate son), is being paid by the Communist Party of China; and the Chinese military regularly holds training exercises on Canadian soil, in preparation to invade the United States. Providing UHC to Canadians is just one step in getting the Canadian populace to accept government control over their lives, as in China. All BS, of course; but there are those who seem to believe it. I’m sure that they are on the fringe of the fringe, but the fact that at least some people believe this is a little frightening. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/79 "2021-06-18T04:36:10Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Probably, yes. Given that I’m ethnically Chinese and have lived in America 20+ years, I’d probably be uniquely suited to helping the resistance. I missed this one. Next ten states go. | Colorado | 5,758,736 | | --- | --- | | Minnesota | 5,639,632 | | South Carolina | 5,148,714 | | Alabama | 4,903,185 | | Louisiana | 4,648,794 | | Kentucky | 4,467,673 | | Oregon | 4,217,737 | | Oklahoma | 3,956,971 | | Connecticut | 3,565,287 | | Utah | 3,205,958 | | Total | 45,512,687 | | Remaining population | 34,261,424 | But not only am I an arbitrary DM, I get bored too quickly. So, let’s so kill everyone. OK! Now that matches my preconceived notion that everyone is stupid! I win!!! ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/80 "2021-06-18T04:42:47Z")
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