# China Conquers US. Do you fight back? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493 "2021-06-17T22:03:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/81 "2021-06-18T04:43:05Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > I get bored too quickly. So, let’s so kill everyone. Thank God! The thought of Wyoming (however briefly) having 440 electoral votes was a little disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/82 "2021-06-18T05:19:50Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > It is bedtime for this oldoaktree. > > 1. I kinda expected the small minority of conservative Dopers to be like hell yeah id fight. > 2. Most liberal dopers to be like well we don’t believe in violence > and make excuses for the CCP > 3. Some liberals to be prone to action. So, you were expecting a certain and singular response, and didn’t get it. So you’re blaming the people that didn’t respond the way you wanted. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/83 "2021-06-18T08:14:12Z")
Would you rather be ruled forever by: - the Chinese (who provide UHC) - Trump ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/84 "2021-06-18T08:25:39Z")
Even Sophie didn’t face that kind of choice. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/85 "2021-06-18T11:14:34Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > I think that decent society assumption trade-off is waaaaaaaaay out there for a hypothetical. About as believable as China taking over the States. The coded words were “will you be willing to die for **freedom** or are you some sort of Communist Canadian who hates everything holy? Or something like that. I’m sure it proves a point. > [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Thank God! The thought of Wyoming (however briefly) having 440 electoral votes was a little disturbing. Sort of a worst case scenario, isn’t it? > [@oldoaktree](#): > > What if you knew every act of civil disobedience would be answered with a space laser attack on a random town? I missed that! I upped the ante to 10 States for even just thinking about it! So we are on the same wavelength! We showed them! ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/86 "2021-06-18T11:40:35Z")
withdrawn ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/87 "2021-06-18T12:09:11Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > I’ve lived in authoritarian countries. People are still free to make lifestyle decisions and go about their daily business. That sounds like Trumpland. Trump isn’t a better man than XI, but being invaded and colonized makes it all much worse. In China, children from non-atheist/non-Han families face bullying in school with no recourse. A world-traveling family member who knows Mandarin tells us he has overheard this (“You are a uyghur”) and it is heart-breaking. Trump is a bully himself, but his supporters, so far, show no interest in moving into my neighborhood. . ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/88 "2021-06-18T13:11:22Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’m very unlikely to join the resistance. I’m married and I have a young child. Might try to flee the country. > > There are very few things I’m willing to die for, and my family is two of them. This, I think, the most plausible answer which the majority of Americans would take. Including myself. I might not like it, but as long as I don’t rabble rouse, my life wouldn’t change much. The SDMB of course wouldn’t survive internet censorship. Empires have been conquering people forever. The common folk just go about their lives. If a viable armed resistance was gaining momentum, i might join. But I don’t have any delusions of patriotic heroism. I might hope for some sudden fall of the Soviet Union/Berlin Wall type event. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/89 "2021-06-18T13:42:57Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > The SDMB of course wouldn’t survive internet censorship. Ummmm . . . Do you realize people post to this board all the time from China? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/90 "2021-06-18T14:15:55Z")
Since there has been so much talk about China giving the conquered Americans UHC, it should be pointed out that the current healthcare system in China isn’t exactly a single-payer universal healthcare system. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/91 "2021-06-18T14:48:43Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Would you rather be ruled forever by: > > - the Chinese (who provide UHC) > - Trump Hey, Trump was two weeks away from announcing a fantastic _health care for everyone plan_. Cheaper and better than anything anyone else ever did. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/92 "2021-06-18T15:01:45Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Methinks your floating a hypothetical that we have Chinese overlords that provide a pretty decent society as long as one doesn’t question their right to rule. I think that decent society assumption trade-off is waaaaaaaaay out there for a hypothetical. Yep. Even if they wanted to make life go on as usual for the populace in order to quell unrest, it would probably not be possible. I don’t recall a single instance in modern warfare, post, say, American Civil War, where a country has been successfully invaded and life just went on mostly as normal for the population. _Someone_ would resist, even if it is not the U.S. government. Which it would be. They might surrender but not without a fight. And even if not, there would still be resistance. Which means economic hardship and omnipresent repressive security. ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/93 "2021-06-18T16:04:10Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > where a country has been successfully invaded and life just went on mostly as normal for the population Post WWII eastern Europe. Might not be technically an invasion, but clearly Soviet domination. European Colonialism. Some lasted hundreds of years. Sure India gained independence from Britain, How long did that take. You are saying life didn’t go on as normal for a hundred years for the vast majority of the population? yes people resist and there are uprisings occasionally. But most people just went on with there lives Look at a maps of the world spaced 100 years apart between from the beginning of time. Ottoman empire? Mughals? Roman Empire? China has grown and shrunk through the centuries. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/94 "2021-06-18T16:32:00Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t recall a single instance in modern warfare, post, say, American Civil War, where a country has been successfully invaded and life just went on mostly as normal for the population. _Someone_ would resist, even if it is not the U.S. government. It is just 3 years inside your deadline (1858 v 1861), but the British Empire ruled India from 1858 to 1947. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/95 "2021-06-18T16:40:19Z")
A couple important pros and cons not mentioned yet: Pro: top notch infrastructure (high speed rail connecting major cities, subways within cities, immaculate freeways and AAA airport and railway terminals) Con: porn is banned Where do I enlist? ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/96 "2021-06-18T16:55:11Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > So, you were expecting a certain and singular response, and didn’t get it. So you’re blaming the people that didn’t respond the way you wanted. Most have pretty much responded as predicted. > [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’m very unlikely to join the resistance. I’m married and I have a young child. Might try to flee the country. > > There are very few things I’m willing to die for, and my family is two of them. I think this has been the most honest answer. The few “hell yeah i’d fight” posters have my respect, but as i stated, I’d only join the resistance if i thought it was viable and gaining momentum. Guess that might me a coward, but Panache45 is a better man than I. I’d join him…eventually. Absent a viable resistance, I’d probably keep my mouth shut and keep my family alive. There is a certain tone to a lot of the posts that lead me to suspect, people aren’t answering directly to the OP because they think it is trick to get liberals to either welcome our Chinese Communist Party overlords or join with the NRA gun nuts, flag waving patriots. Life isn’t bifurcated. Just say what you would do. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/97 "2021-06-18T17:13:11Z")
> [@oldoaktree](#): > > Post WWII eastern Europe. Might not be technically an invasion, but clearly Soviet domination. Am I understanding you right? Are you saying that life was “normal” in eastern Europe under the Soviets? Excuse me? Go talk to a Romanian, a Hungarian, a Pole, hell, an East German, let alone Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians. Ukranians. Georgians. Any-stanians. Then get back to us. Your hypothetical was doomed from the start. China is not going to occupy the contenental US. How do you think that is going to work? Landing craft on Pismo Beach? 12K transport planes full of PLA soldiers landing across the US simultaneously? Space lasers of any faith are not going to make that possible. ---
**Author:** ![Mavis\_Topholese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7feea3/32.png) [@Mavis\_Topholese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mavis_Topholese)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/98 "2021-06-18T17:14:15Z")
the United States of America exists in part because an oppressive, genocidal invader conquered a continent full of angry, freedom-loving “hell yeah I’d fight” warriors. Happens all the time. If by some whimsical feat of wizardry the United States and its entire military apparatus - remember, we have the two largest air forces in the world - were magically erased from the playing field, and millions of Chinese decided they’d rather schlep their tanks across thousands of miles of ocean to invade North America instead of their next door neighbors, then it’s a done deal, resistance or no resistance. Joe Bob’s Wal-Mart Freedom Warriors will have a fun three day campout, and then kindly Mrs. Johnson will narc 'em out to the local fuzz in exchange for not having her house burned down by a space laser or, as is more likely, three PLA goons with some gasoline and a zippo. ---
**Author:** ![oldoaktree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ccd318/32.png) [@oldoaktree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oldoaktree)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/99 "2021-06-18T17:21:28Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Am I understanding you right? Are you saying that life was “normal” in eastern Europe under the Soviets? Excuse me? Go talk to a Romanian, a Hungarian, a Pole, hell, an East German, let alone Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians. Ukranians. Georgians. Any-stanians. Then get back to us. Yes i am saying Eastern Europeans lived there daily life without taking up Arms. Did they like it? Of course not. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-conquers-us-do-you-fight-back/944493/100 "2021-06-18T17:22:23Z")
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