# China/Joanie Lauer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 9, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141 "2005-02-09T04:27:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@kka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kka)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/1 "2005-02-09T04:27:58Z")
At another board they are showing a screencap of what looks like Chynna (wrestler, now going by her name- Joanie Lauer) in a home porn video. She has a penis, or at least it looks like a penis. Is she a transexual? ---
**Author:** ![supervenusfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@supervenusfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supervenusfreak)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/2 "2005-02-09T04:51:42Z")
LOL. No she isnt, but she is pissed off about the video. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/3 "2005-02-09T04:56:56Z")
She has not to the best of my knowledge identified as trans. A review of her video describes her clitoris as > [@Adult Video News](#): > > an inch-long and thick-as-a-pinkie … with a corona resembling the head of a penis. I seem to recall seeing video of an actual professional porn star (Vanessa Del Rio? I don’t really follow such things) and her clitoris looked like a miniature penis, so I guess it’s not unheard of. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/4 "2005-02-09T05:06:37Z")
Most people don’t realize it, but clitorises _are_ miniature penises, at least in appearance. In the early stages of fetal development both sexes have gonads in their abdomens and rudimentary penises. As development proceeds the penis grows and the gonads descend to become testicles in males. The penis stays small and becomes the clitoris and the gonads stay put and turn into ovaries in females. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/5 "2005-02-09T05:08:25Z")
> [@supervenusfreak](#): > > LOL. No she isnt, but she is pissed off about the video. I really, really doubt that. She and Waltman have to stay in the limelight somehow and this just reeks of a last-ditch effort. ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/6 "2005-02-09T05:16:15Z")
While I am well aware that some women tend to have much large clitorises (clitorii?) than others, I would be willing to bet good money that the enlargement of hers is due to some type of steroid abuse. Of course, that’s a total guess, but I’ve heard several anecdotal stories of female bodybuilders experiencing significant clitoral growth - I’ve even heard the overgrown clitorises referred to by more than one person involved in competitive bodybuilding as ‘bulldaggers’, which, while offensive seems to be indicative that it’s not an uncommon occurrence. ---
**Author:** ![pope\_hentai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@pope\_hentai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pope_hentai)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/7 "2005-02-09T05:54:45Z")
i’ve always assumed she had just been born as not quite one but not quite the other if ya know what i’m sayin. shes still pretty masculine lookin in high school which i’m assuming was pre-bodybuilder. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/8 "2005-02-09T06:10:12Z")
[snopes]([http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ub](http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ub) b/get\_topic/f/62/t/000550.html) has a thread on this with links to pics. Not safe for work, but it is 2 clicks away so I assume it’s okay to post this link. ---
**Author:** ![JavaMaven1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@JavaMaven1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JavaMaven1)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/9 "2005-02-09T06:15:01Z")
> [@picker](#): > > Of course, that’s a total guess, but I’ve heard several anecdotal stories of female bodybuilders experiencing significant clitoral growth - I’ve even heard the overgrown clitorises referred to by more than one person involved in competitive bodybuilding as\*\* ‘bulldaggers’\*\*, which, while offensive seems to be indicative that it’s not an uncommon occurrence. Actually, the clinical term would be “clenis.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/10 "2005-02-09T06:16:21Z")
Hmm, can’t seem to link directly to the thread. Follow the link above, scroll down to" NSFBSK Gone Wild", scroll down to “Clitzilla”. Somehow, I’m embarassed having to type out “Clitzilla” ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/11 "2005-02-09T08:43:37Z")
Tuning in to the new season of THE SURREAL LIFE a few minutes late, I didn’t recognize Chynna & wondered for a while if she was a badly-done TS woman. :eek: Then I found out she was Chynna & is just a rode-hard-put-up-wet once-hot woman. :eek: :eek: Jane Wiedlin OTOH is hot for her age (a bit worn in the face but during the skinny dipping scene- WOW!). ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/12 "2005-02-09T11:43:49Z")
Count me in under the steroid theory. I can see where you might think she used to be a he though. The plastic surgery she has had has made her look scary. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RumMunkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b19c9b/32.png) [@RumMunkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RumMunkey)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/13 "2005-02-09T12:52:47Z")
> [@](#): > > At another board they are showing a screencap of what looks like Chynna (wrestler, now going by her name- Joanie Lauer) in a home porn video. She has a penis, or at least it looks like a penis. Is she a transexual? Wait just a cotton pickin’ minute here… there are _other_ boards?? (Yeah it’s an old joke, but it’s still funny!) ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/14 "2005-02-09T16:07:09Z")
I would also get behind the steriod abuse theory. ``` I have seen caps that showed the relevant organ, and yeah it looks like a penis. She has had a fair amout of surgury since her early days in the WWF. Before the boob job and extensive surgury on her face, she looked like a man in drag. If you have ever seen her playboy spreads, cover up the relevant female parts, and surprise, it looks like a man's body. She has taken so many 'roids that her body now longer thinks that she is female. So she uses surgery to give her the appearance of a woman. No wonder she is such a mess. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/15 "2005-02-09T20:32:42Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Most people don’t realize it, but clitorises _are_ miniature penises, at least in appearance. In the early stages of fetal development both sexes have gonads in their abdomens and rudimentary penises. As development proceeds the penis grows and the gonads descend to become testicles in males. The penis stays small and becomes the clitoris and the gonads stay put and turn into ovaries in females. As I understand it, don’t all human embryos start out as female? If so then it’s more correct to say that penises are oversized clitorises. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/16 "2005-02-09T21:03:08Z")
> [@pope\_hentai](#): > > i’ve always assumed she had just been born as not quite one but not quite the other if ya know what i’m sayin. The term you are looking for is intersexed. It includes a large number of conditions. The one relevant here is **clitoromegaly**. From what little I know of steroids and the fact that hormone therapy does cause the clitoris of a ftm transsexual to grow, it’s likely that clitoral growth is a side-effect of steroid use. Re Embryos Cecil does some explaining of this in his column on why men have nipples. I’d post a link, but I’m having browser problems at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/17 "2005-02-09T21:05:18Z")
You could be right. Among the detritus in my mind is a vague recollection of hearing something like that at some point. The main thing I remember is hearing it as I described, but I wouldn’t wouldn’t want to bet important money on its being the definitive answer. The main point of my post though is that up close and personal (with the hood pulled back) clitorises do look exactly like small penises. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/18 "2005-02-09T21:06:41Z")
Sorry, DocCathode snuck in while I was composing. The above post was to answer **Otto**. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/19 "2005-02-09T21:23:31Z")
When the Chyna picture was posted by a friend, I did a search on the effects of steroids on the female clitoris. **[NOT SAFE FOR WORK](http://www.livejournal.com/users/weirddave/171357.html).** This is a link to Dave’s LJ, which has a link to a page which shows several enhancements. There are also explainations - the one in question is about 2/3 down the page. Two clicks. And, did I mention, not safe for work? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2005, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141/20 "2005-02-09T21:32:47Z")
> [@GingerOfTheNorth](#): > > not safe for work What if you work for a gynocologist? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-joanie-lauer/289141.md?page=2)