# China needs women! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 16, 2006, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919 "2006-04-16T23:34:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/41 "2006-04-19T04:04:35Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What will be the social effects of this? War. Within the next 25 years, I expect China to have significant internal strife (perhaps rising to the level of civil war) and/or a major external conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Throatwarbler\_Mangrove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Throatwarbler_Mangrove)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/42 "2006-04-19T13:39:33Z")
Those of you who predict “war”. What exactly are your reasons? Has there been any real historical precedence of a gender inbalance causing a country to become more warlike? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/43 "2006-04-19T13:55:57Z")
I’m not predicting it for gender imbalance reasons. I’m predicting it because China is spoiling for a fight. Between Taiwan, the availability of resources and land in a sparsely populated and poorly defended Siberia, and continued jockying with India for influence in South Asia, I think a major conflict involving China is very likely within a generation or two. The Chinese Communists cannot achieve all of their goals through commerce alone, and they won’t give up power peacefully. Hence, there likely will be an external or a civil war. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/44 "2006-04-19T16:50:32Z")
> [@Wesley Clark](#): > > I’d predict immigration of women if it becomes a major problem. How would the Chinese induce foreign women to go there? ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/45 "2006-04-19T17:18:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > How would the Chinese induce foreign women to go there? :: show a picture of the Shanghai skyline :: :: talk about the 20,000 km of expressways built in the last five years :: “Look! We have prosperity!” :: offer free classes in Modern Standard Chinese :: or :: permit outmigration of men :: If the major “Meet and marry a Russian woman” sites start offering Chinese versions, we’ll know something’s up. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/46 "2006-04-19T19:58:48Z")
Come to think of it, Thailand and Vietnam and the Philippines are also exporting “mail-order brides.” Maybe they could find placement without having to travel so far. They would at any rate fit into Chinese society more easily than Russians would (being culturally Asian, and not looking quite so different from Han-Chinese). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/47 "2006-04-20T14:12:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > (being culturally Asian, and not looking quite so different from Han-Chinese). To a caucasian, maybe. The ethnic groups in the Far East have never had trouble telling each other apart, or engaging in wars and massacres when it suited them. I’m expecting large-scale conflict in Asia in my lifetime. I just hope it doesn’t go nuclear. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/48 "2006-04-20T14:21:17Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > To a caucasian, maybe. The ethnic groups in the Far East have never had trouble telling each other apart, … Politically correct but rubbish. It happens all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/49 "2006-04-20T14:32:44Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Politically correct but rubbish. It happens all the time. Individuals may “pass” now and then and border areas are fuzzy, but a Vietnamese transported to Shenyang is far more likely to be spotted as a foreigner than blend in with the crowd. I don’t see how this is Politically Correct, though. As I understood the term, it’d be PC of me to maintain that Asians naturally all get along and only differences imposed by outsiders turn them against each other. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/50 "2006-04-20T14:44:09Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Individuals may “pass” now and then and border areas are fuzzy, but a Vietnamese transported to Shenyang is far more likely to be spotted as a foreigner than blend in with the crowd. And you base this opinion on what exactly? The knowledge that a large proportion of Vietnamese people are ethnically Han Chinese perhaps? > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > I don’t see how this is Politically Correct, though. As I understood the term, it’d be PC of me to maintain that Asians naturally all get along and only differences imposed by outsiders turn them against each other. The PC line is that asiatic peoples are visually distinctive. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/51 "2006-04-20T15:44:49Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > The PC line is that asiatic peoples are visually distinctive. Well, if that’s where you feel like putting it, be my guest. ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/52 "2006-04-21T16:41:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@Mr. Moto](#): > > > > War typically gets rid of lots of a society’s males. Look at post-WWI Britain, for example… > > I hope that fact never comes to the attention of the PRC government . . . The increased aggression theory has been discussed in American right-wing circles for years. The most recent mention, [from 2004](http://www.spacedaily.com/upi/2005/0106-174435-china-population-analysis.html), says > [@](#): > > …(The) one-child policy has led to the largest scale application of abortion and even infanticide ever documented in any nation in peacetime in the modern era. In particular, scores of millions of unborn or infant girls are believed to have been aborted or killed so that families could have a boy instead of a girl…With about 117 boys for every 100 girls…China is going to see scores of millions of young men grow to manhood without the girls available for them to date and later marry. The lessons of world and Chinese history both suggest this could be a dangerous recipe for foreign expansion and wars of aggression…The American social analyst and futurist George Gilder warned in his influential book Men and Marriage that societies without a stable moral and family structure were especially vulnerable to both internal upheavals and turning to external aggression… > [@kawaiitentaclebeast](#): > > Those of you who predict “war”. What exactly are your reasons? Has there been any real historical precedence of a gender inbalance causing a country to become more warlike? Maybe it won’t lead to outward aggression. But try and imagine a society with nearly 20% more males than females. That’s alot of built-up, testosterone-fueled energy you’ll have perculating:1. Resurfacing of prostitution? 2. Rise in [AIDS rates](http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/develop/aids/2002/04china.htm)? 3. Govenrment sanctioned polygamy? 4. Crime rates soaring? 5. More acceptance of alternative lifestyles? ---
**Author:** ![mecaenas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@mecaenas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mecaenas)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/53 "2009-09-18T09:50:59Z")
Oh crap, didn’t realise this was a old dead thread. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/china-needs-women/352919/54 "2009-09-18T22:10:40Z")
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