# Chinese/Japanese incestuous relations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 8, 2001, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503 "2001-08-08T21:51:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ninja\_rydr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8491ac/32.png) [@ninja\_rydr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ninja_rydr)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/21 "2001-08-09T16:41:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ninja\_rydr \* > **I heard the shoe also.** Crap! I must remember to proof read. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/22 "2001-08-09T16:50:28Z")
There was a discussion on snopes about this a few months ago: [http://www.snopes2.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get\_topic&f=16&t=000061](http://www.snopes2.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=16&t=000061) The didn’t really come up with a conclusion - some believe it, some don’t. ---
**Author:** ![DreamSpinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@DreamSpinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DreamSpinner)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/23 "2001-08-09T19:56:35Z")
The closest that I have ever come to fact on anything similar is this whacko tribe in Africa, where the men, scrawny guys, tend to live away from the women and have this oddball thing about sperm. While heterosexual, they jerk each other off and consume each other’s sperm, feeling that it enhances their maleness. Obviously, they know nothing about homosexuals, which really needs to be looked into because it seems every other native peoples have some. They wed and have kids, but tend to spend most of their time doing manly things, like training for wars that don’t often arise, hunting, fishing, making weapons, looking hairy and dusty and letting the women get stuck with everything else. Around the time a male child reaches puberty, he starts contributing his sperm to the ‘warriors’. Yes, National Geographic did a special on them, … carefully. (Can you imagine how many violations of ‘civil and racial’ rights are potentially easily violated there? You got to hand it to NG for doing it well enough not to piss anyone off. You know, someday, someone with more brains than I need to start considering these whacko traditional and religious origins. Where did the first religion come from and what was the knuckle dragger thinking when he or she decided to worship whatever rock, stone, tree, weed, pond, river or rainfall for whatever reason? I can pretty well figure already how hallucinogenic drugs were quickly fitted in to some of these religions. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/24 "2001-08-09T23:11:33Z")
all family members kissing infant girls’ pubes. I don’t know if the custom extends to small boys. I know this because my wife is a Filipina. I’ll ask her about it and post more later. ---
**Author:** ![DreamSpinner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@DreamSpinner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DreamSpinner)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/25 "2001-08-09T23:25:29Z")
I re3call, dimly, something about that tradition as well as one concerning Elians elderly relations opening his pants to examine his package for some reason. What is it with primitive races and kid’s packages? ---
**Author:** ![Ankh\_Too](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Ankh\_Too](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ankh_Too)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/26 "2001-08-09T23:46:10Z")
“Primitive races”? This is going to be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/27 "2001-08-09T23:49:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Duality \* > \*\*all family members kissing infant girls’ pubes. I don’t know if the custom extends to small boys. I know this because my wife is a Filipina. > > I’ll ask her about it and post more later. \*\* Infant girls have pubes? ---
**Author:** ![Avumede](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/avumede/32/7235_2.png) [@Avumede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avumede)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2001, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/28 "2001-08-09T23:52:26Z")
While I really doubt that incest is routinely practiced (it seems to be a univeral taboo, even among animals), it is true that Chinese children sleep with their mothers for quite a while. My sister-in-law (from an immigrant Chinese family) slept with her mother until she was somewhere around 10 years old. Not that this is even peculiar to Chinese. My father (American) and his sister slept in the same bed until he or she (can’t remember which) was 16. It doesn’t seem all that suprising. Not every family has money or space to give each child a separate bed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2001, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/29 "2001-08-10T00:36:47Z")
Actually, incest is NOT taboo among animals. AT least not for breeding-often in horses you can breed a father to a daughter or mother to son. It’s the same with cats. ---
**Author:** ![Avumede](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/avumede/32/7235_2.png) [@Avumede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avumede)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2001, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/30 "2001-08-10T00:41:18Z")
I think that human-directed breeding is besides the point. If that horse was in the wild, would it naturally breed with relatives? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2001, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/31 "2001-08-10T01:52:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KKBattousai \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Duality \* > > \*\*all family members kissing infant girls’ pubes. I don’t know if the custom extends to small boys. I know this because my wife is a Filipina. > > > > I’ll ask her about it and post more later. \*\* > > Infant girls have pubes? \*\* Maybe he meant _pub **i** s_. As fo the Elián incident, what can I say, grandmothers can get weird at times. José. ---
**Author:** ![DougC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@DougC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DougC)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2001, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/32 "2001-08-10T02:09:52Z")
- - - Or possibly any Chinese/Japanese grandmothers, too: that could happen as young as what, thirty? That could work… - MC ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2001, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/33 "2001-08-10T02:51:49Z")
**Avumede** : Yep, in the wild horses, lions, and other pack/herd/pride males will breed with offspring _if they get the chance_. Nature’s little way of circumventing this, is that dominant males generally don’t last long before getting ousted. Generally they spend most of their lives growing up and hitting their peak, _maybe_ then move in too take over, then where down rapiudly and are in turn ousted. Usually in just a few years ( or sooner ). But some tough ones do hang on long enough to breed, at least once, with a daughter or three. In the grand scheme of things, the genetic damage probably isn’t real significant. I’m pretty sure that most mammals at least are pretty non-discriminating when it comes to kin. But there are a variety of mechanisms that keep inbreeding from getting too serious in a healthy, functioning ecosystem ( male pattern dispersal, et al ). It short-circuits sometimes, but _occasional_ incest probably doesn’t impair the species as a whole in any serious fashion. Where you get problems is with sudden population/genetic bottlenecks. This can leave a species vulnerable. Sometimes those bottlenecks are natural - I believe Cheetahs have very low genertic diversity. Sometimes they’re not - Elephant Seals and Tule Elk in CA, among others. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2001, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/34 "2001-08-10T02:54:29Z")
where = wear, that was too idiotic not to correct :rolleyes: . Please excuse all the other myriad errors as well. Thank you 😉 . - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2001, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/35 "2001-08-11T11:47:30Z")
Here’s a reference (sort of). The [Mainichi Daily News](http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/index.html) has a weekly column (in English) called the [WaiWai](http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/) page, in which the writers translate the most titilating or outrageous stories from Japan’s weekly magazines. These stories were recently compiled in a book titled [Tokyo Confidential](http://www.theeast.co.jp/shop/tokcon.htm). The “Mother goes down so grades go up” story is included here, but all the sources (for this one, anyway) are third- or fourth-hand. Still, the book’s an entertaining read. FWIW, in this version the son was preparing for his high school entrance exams, when his mother discovered that he was spending all his time in his room masturbating instead of studying. She offered him fellatio once a night so that he would spend the rest of his time hitting the books. According to the story, he passed his exams. –sublight ---
**Author:** ![ricepad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@ricepad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricepad)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2001, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503/36 "2001-08-11T19:21:27Z")
_This is the story of Oedipus Rex, You may have heard about his odd complex. He’s got his own place in Freud’s index, 'Cause he loves his mother…_ Geez louise, some people will believe ANYTHING. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-japanese-incestuous-relations/75503.md?page=1)