# Chinese Manufacturers: "Ozone Layer? Whatever! LOL" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 9, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613 "2018-07-09T21:43:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/41 "2018-07-11T23:55:33Z")
I predict that a few Chinese businessmen will get prosecuted over this and some minor ones will get executed. The Chinese do not like losing face and will deliver up a few scapegoats. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/42 "2018-07-12T00:04:31Z")
How do children with no arms sew? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/43 "2018-07-12T00:12:06Z")
> [@by-tor](#): > > So no one from the first world is allowed to say anything concerning the environment because of history and everyone else can trash it as much as they want? That is just stupid. Again : if you really are concerned about Chinese industry’s effect on the environment, give the Chinese the tools to preserve the environment while they’re busy improving their quality of life. If you want them to go green before they, like us, do it reluctantly when there’s literally no other alternative, subsidize and incentivize that shit. Be part of the solution, be the change you want to see in the world and all that. Or shut yo hypocritical mouth and admit it’s less about the environment and more about looking down on those eeeevil Chinese who have the unmitigated \*gall \*to do the exact same shit we did - and do. > [@Gatopescado](#): > > How do children with no arms sew? > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/confused.gif](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/confused.gif) With their teeth, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/44 "2018-07-12T01:07:15Z")
First of all, that “looking down on the evil Chinese” bullshit, is in your head, not mine. Secondly, you seem to be saying that only if a single first world person can finance an entire industry wide change (in a another country no less) and does so, do they have a right to have an opinion about said industry destroying the environment. That is a ridiculous position. I am done with you. Lastly, China has the second largest economy in the world. How long do they get a pass? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/45 "2018-07-12T04:25:26Z")
C’mon gang. Chinese companies are affecting the ozone layer in a _measurable and pronounced_ way. For the sake of mild improvements in the product. The cost/benefit is off the charts. It shouldn’t be that heavy a lift for the Chinese government to pull its act together. This is very different from global warming, because curbing CO2 is vastly more expensive. It’s also different from China’s ocean plastic (where they play a much smaller share of a much smaller problem) or even their local air pollution (the greatest burden of which falls on their own citizenry). “The environment” isn’t a monolith. Some acts have worse consequences with thin benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/46 "2018-07-12T10:59:46Z")
> [@by-tor](#): > > First of all, that “looking down on the evil Chinese” bullshit, is in your head, not mine. Would you mind reading to the class the first line of your OP again, please ? :dubious: > [@](#): > > Secondly, you seem to be saying that only if a single first world person can finance an entire industry wide change (in a another country no less) and does so, do they have a right to have an opinion about said industry destroying the environment. That is a ridiculous position. I am done with you. I’m saying your opinion is full of shit, not that you’re not allowed to have it. > [@](#): > > Lastly, China has the second largest economy in the world. How long do they get a pass? Again with that “getting a pass”. How is telling _you_ to do something about it instead of bloviating (if you’re actually concerned about the issue) giving China a pass ? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/47 "2018-07-12T11:52:28Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > How do children with no arms sew? 😕 Poorly. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/48 "2018-07-12T13:21:16Z")
> [@by-tor](#): > > I am not wrong and my being an American has nothing to do with the actual facts. > > So fuck off with your shut the fuck ups. Actually, being American has everything to do with the actual facts. You raise a valid concern about China’s lax enforcement of CFC-11. The good news is that there might be remedies for that. Coordinated international economic pressure could involve sanctioning companies that don’t play by the rules. The bad news is, we just democratically elected a regime that is abandoning international agreements and protocols of all kinds. You can bark about China’s atrocious environmental record all you want, but our own voting behavior has removed the best tool to deal with this problem from the toolbox and thrown it into the river. There’s absolutely no incentive for China to play by international rules anymore. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/49 "2018-07-12T17:10:00Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah, I’m sure it was a real stunner when we found out that dumping toxic waste and heavy metals in the nearest river turned out to not be a good idea :rolleyes:. We’ve known about industrial pollution since the smog of London started killing people, and that was nearly [_two centuries ago_](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkali_Act_1863). > We knew. We just didn’t give a fuck because we were busy making money and progress and infrastructure and improving comfort & living standards in the short term and the environment was someone else’s problem. Hell, we’re _still_ doing that - hydrofracking, anyone ? > > Bitch, I’m _French_. Notice how I kept saying “we” and “the West” ? Now go on, tell me again how everything I say is so US-centric it’s getting tiresome. > > I’m a popular poster ? Fuck me, y’all inconsiderate assholes could have bothered telling \*me \*that. Now I gotta have all these business cards reprinted ! > > I accused you of strawmaning because that’s what you were doing. Nobody was giving China “a pass” before you strolled along claiming the whole world did ; and there was one post by one poster chuckling about Americans not really having the best of pedestals to give anybody else shit about environmental policies - which is fair fucking criticism. It was before Trump, it probably will be for a long time after him. > I also note that you seemed to have sailed right by the more salient points of my post. I do wonder why that is. Or the points must have sailed right by you. Either way. For example : > It has absolutely to do with what you were saying, because it is the same bullshit : First World people wagging their fingers at the rest of the world for not doing things the way we began doing them **yesterday** , historically speaking. It was bullshit to do that in the 18th century, it’s still bullshit doing that now. Never seems to go out of style though… I did have to smile at the ‘bitch’ part. But, just as an example of what I’m talking about…you’ve posted multiple times to this pit thread on China and your only mention of China has been a bullshit whine about them not being sophisticated enough or having the right 'tool’s (I guess the ones they have stolen aren’t good enough or something). Basically an excuse. It’s ironic that you are really the best example in this thread of exactly what I’m talking about. Sort of the poster child. At any rate, as I said I’m pretty much done. Said what I wanted to say. And you’ve been very good at giving China a pass. So I think our jobs are done. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/50 "2018-07-12T17:28:04Z")
> [@XT](#): > > At any rate, as I said I’m pretty much done. Said what I wanted to say. And you’ve been very good at giving China a pass. So I think our jobs are done. Again, since that definitely has a hard time sinking in : being against your ideas doesn’t mean I’m for the ideas/behaviours of the people you’re shitting on. As [my good friend](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan-Edern_Vaquette) sings it, “You agree with me ? Good for you ! But I’ll never \*ever \*agree with you.” Politics aren’t boolean, you simple-minded twit. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/51 "2018-07-12T19:23:42Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Again, since that definitely has a hard time sinking in : being against your ideas doesn’t mean I’m for the ideas/behaviours of the people you’re shitting on. As [my good friend](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan-Edern_Vaquette) sings it, “You agree with me ? Good for you ! But I’ll never \*ever \*agree with you.” > Politics aren’t boolean, you simple-minded twit. Again, since you don’t seem to be getting it…there is a time and place to discuss things. When we are having a discussion about China it’s a bit frustrating to always have to talk about the US. It gets old. This is a pit thread about China. I know you missed that, but really…that’s the TOPIC. There have been several posters who have done exactly what I said…given China a pass while focusing on the US. Including you who have still not really bothered to do more than a weak handwave of China with some weak ass excuses that maybe made sense in the 90’s but not really today. And that was seemingly a drive by point for you. Thing is, there are tons of threads that are about the US. Or, conversely, you could start a pit thread about the US and how bad our environmental record is. Or you could pit me for being such an ass on this. Any one of which wouldn’t further hijack this thread on a topic that it isn’t about. Or not. Hell, knock yourself out my man. You obviously don’t have a fucking clue what my actual issue is, you think you do, and you think you are making some sort of point, so carry on. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![katgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6de8d8/32.png) [@katgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613/52 "2018-07-13T21:33:58Z")
I used to be able to lie in the sun after 3:00 and just get a little color. Now I get burned. Trump is at least aware of the ozone layer: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eU2p6YakNJg/hqdefault.jpg "Donald Trump talks hairspray and ozone") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU2p6YakNJg) Which is more disturbing, Trump or the people cheering him on? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-manufacturers-ozone-layer-whatever-lol/817613.md?page=2)