# Chinese newspaper calls Trump "ignorant as a child" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 18, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045 "2016-12-18T16:34:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/1 "2016-12-18T16:34:21Z")
_“In the field of diplomacy, Donald Trump is as “ignorant as a child,” according to a propaganda paper run by the Chinese Communist party.”_ > **[Chinese paper calls Trump ‘ignorant as a child’ after Taiwan remarks](https://nypost.com/2016/12/12/chinese-paper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child-after-taiwan-remarks/)** > > In the field of diplomacy, Donald Trump is as “ignorant as a child,” according to a propaganda paper run by the Chinese Communist party. The remarks are the latest salvo in the war of words h… ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/2 "2016-12-18T16:37:41Z")
A culture that has managed to be a bunch of peasant rice farmers for 4 thousand years till the “west” showed them the way otherwise might wanna… ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/3 "2016-12-18T18:16:49Z")
A broken clock is right twice a day. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/4 "2016-12-18T18:51:13Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > A culture that has managed to be a bunch of peasant rice farmers for 4 thousand years till the “west” showed them the way otherwise might wanna… Wasn’t China on par with, and superseded in many ways, the west for the vast majority of history? It wasn’t until Columbus stumbled upon the Americas that things began to change. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/5 "2016-12-18T18:53:10Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > A culture that has managed to be a bunch of peasant rice farmers for 4 thousand years till the “west” showed them the way otherwise might wanna… Are you serious? > [@](#): > > Around 2300 years ago, when no one in Europe or the Middle East could melt even one ounce of iron the Chinese were casting multi-ton iron objects. …But ancient China was not just technically advanced in iron-making. In a wide variety of technical fields China of 300 BCE was many centuries ahead of Europe and the Middle East. > … > The Compass: The compass was invented n ancient China. > … > Paper: The first paper was made from fiber obtained by pounding linen cloth. > … > Gunpowder: Gun powder developed out of the experiments of Chinese shamans in throwing mineral powders into fires > … > Mechanical clock mechanisms: Accurate mechanical clocks were developed in ancient China > … > Row crop farming: In ancient times field were planted by broadcasting (throwing) the seed randomly. It was the Chinese who in ancient times realized that if the seeds were planted in separated rows the plants could be irrigated more effectively > … > Silk: The discovery that the cocoons of silk worms could be unwound and the filaments used to weave an especially light, strong and beautiful cloth > … > Porcelain: In very ancient times the Chinese discovered that with the right choice of clay and firing techniques pottery could be made so thin that it was translucent. Such porcelain became universally known as china. > …Rudders for navigating ships… Suspension bridges… Wheelbarrows… > > [Cite & More](http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/ancientchina.htm) [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_China)has more. They were an extremely advanced civilization for thousands of years Before the Common Era. They declined. As the Egyptians did, the Greeks, the Romans… and now we’re about to. You really didn’t know this? What are they teaching kids in school these days. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/6 "2016-12-18T18:56:38Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > Wasn’t China on par with, and superseded in many ways, the west for the vast majority of history? It wasn’t until Columbus stumbled upon the Americas that things began to change. Yes. But then they fucked around/stopped growing while the West got their stuff together and kicked butt. China is that person you know who was the wunderkid in high school…maybe all through school…and hasn’t done much since. The West is that kid that was a fuck up in middle school, so so in high school, got better in college, got serious at some point and eventually became a doctor/lawyer/astronaut/Shark Tank member. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/7 "2016-12-18T18:58:28Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > A broken clock is right twice a day. I couldn’t decide whether you were talking about me…or China…or Trump… But I suppose it works anyway you look at it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/8 "2016-12-18T19:03:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You really didn’t know this? What are they teaching kids in school these days. Yes, I knew all that. I’'ll tell you what. Lets assume some tribe somewhere that hasn’t ever done much…then one day they start getting better…and better and better. Good for them. Then, lets look as some other tribe. Back in the day…they were something else…way ahead of the rest. Then they stagnated…or pissed their advantages away…or even regressed god forbid. I’ll applaud the first tribe all day long. When the second tribe goes on and on about the Glory Days…not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/9 "2016-12-18T19:37:49Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > A culture that has managed to be a bunch of peasant rice farmers for 4 thousand years till the “west” showed them the way otherwise might wanna… > [@billfish678](#): > > Yes. > > But then they fucked around/stopped growing while the West got their stuff together and kicked butt. > > China is that person you know who was the wunderkid in high school…maybe all through school…and hasn’t done much since. > > The West is that kid that was a fuck up in middle school, so so in high school, got better in college, got serious at some point and eventually became a doctor/lawyer/astronaut/Shark Tank member. > [@billfish678](#): > > I couldn’t decide whether you were talking about me…or China…or Trump… > > But I suppose it works anyway you look at it 🙂 > [@billfish678](#): > > Yes, I knew all that. > > I’'ll tell you what. Lets assume some tribe somewhere that hasn’t ever done much…then one day they start getting better…and better and better. > > Good for them. > > Then, lets look as some other tribe. Back in the day…they were something else…way ahead of the rest. Then they stagnated…or pissed their advantages away…or even regressed god forbid. > > I’ll applaud the first tribe all day long. When the second tribe goes on and on about the Glory Days…not so much. Well, isn’t this some ignorant Western-centric, borderline racist bullshit? You don’t like their opinion about President-Elect Chin Labia so you deride the culture of millions of people over thousands of years. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/10 "2016-12-18T19:42:25Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Well, isn’t this some ignorant Western-centric, borderline racist bullshit? You don’t like their opinion about President-Elect Chin Labia so you deride the culture of millions of people over thousands of years. No. The people thousands of years ago were kicking ass. I deride them none. The people long after that? Not so much. Though I will admit they are coming back around. After all those old communist farts in charge realized they could get rich under pseudo captitalism as long as they were staying in charge to some degree. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/11 "2016-12-18T19:47:51Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Yes. > > But then they fucked around/stopped growing while the West got their stuff together and kicked butt. > > China is that person you know who was the wunderkid in high school…maybe all through school…and hasn’t done much since. > > The West is that kid that was a fuck up in middle school, so so in high school, got better in college, got serious at some point and eventually became a doctor/lawyer/astronaut/Shark Tank member. Eh. Chinas per capita GDP has grown from about $150 in 1978 to about $8,000 now. They could be at Taiwanese levels of GDP in the 2030s (about $20,000 nominal per capita GDP). China did have a lot of problems, they missed the industrialization boat and had Mao screw things up. But ever since the late 70s they have been on a trajectory of growth and they may catch up to western nations in a few decades. A better metaphor is China was ahead, then fell behind, then started rapidly catching up senior year. China is now the 2nd largest economy, 2nd biggest R&D spender, #1 investor in alternative energy, #2 investor in deep learning machine intelligence, etc. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/12 "2016-12-18T20:09:23Z")
**Chinese newspaper calls Trump "ignorant as a child"** Even though it’s obvious, they nailed it. He is. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/13 "2016-12-18T20:25:57Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > No. > > The people thousands of years ago were kicking ass. I deride them none. > > The people long after that? Not so much. > > Though I will admit they are coming back around. After all those old communist farts in charge realized they could get rich under pseudo captitalism as long as they were staying in charge to some degree. I get it. You prefer cultures that don’t decline, amirite? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/14 "2016-12-18T20:43:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > They declined. … and now we’re about to. Do you do personal readings also with your crystal ball? 🙂 Seriously, I wouldn’t bash Chinese culture, I’m an avid student of the writing system. But give any moral weight to the official propaganda of a govt with more blood on its hands than the Nazi’s or Soviet Communists, but happens to have survived in power, not so much. But of course it’s a relationship the US still has to carefully manage; they _are_ the dictators in charge there, in a very major country. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/15 "2016-12-18T22:04:32Z")
Contrast with Kissinger’s opinion: > [@](#): > > President-elect Donald Trump could accomplish “something remarkable” in U.S. foreign policy, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says. “Donald Trump is a phenomenon that foreign countries haven’t seen. So, it is a shocking experience to them that he came into office. At the same time, extraordinary opportunity,” Kissinger said in an interview aired Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “And I believe he has the possibility of going down in history as a very considerable president.” [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/henry-kissinger-donald-trump-232785](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/henry-kissinger-donald-trump-232785) Or is Kissinger just getting senile in his old age? ---
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> [@PastTense](#): > > Or is Kissinger just getting senile in his old age? Yes. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/17 "2016-12-18T23:44:35Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > _"In the field of diplomacy, Donald Trump is as “ignorant as a child,”_ That’s just plain insulting to children. ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/18 "2016-12-18T23:46:21Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > The people thousands of years ago were kicking ass. I deride them none. > [@billfish678](#): > > A culture that has managed to be a bunch of peasant rice farmers for 4 thousand years till the “west” showed them the way otherwise might wanna… Riiiiiiight… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/19 "2016-12-19T02:10:32Z")
> [@Corry\_El](#): > > Do you do personal readings also with your crystal ball? 🙂 > > … Yes. But this prediction doesn’t need a crystal ball. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045/20 "2016-12-19T03:46:37Z")
Well _we will_ decline at some point – every nation and culture has. We have not been divinely annointed to prevail eternally. And considering the span of human history, China was ahead of the West for far longer than it has been the other way around, and the dominance of the West after 1500 is not somehow intrinsecally predestined or irreversible either. Humility is a virtue even if we \*\*\*are \*\*\*ahead right now. Back to the subject: OTOH a CCP propaganda rag may be right in the sense a stopped clock is, but what is President Orangeman gonna do, post a mean tweet against The Global Times? Not really worth his trouble but he has this bad tendency to fume at petty things. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chinese-newspaper-calls-trump-ignorant-as-a-child/775045.md?page=2)