# Chow Down at Chik-fil-A **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683 "2012-04-13T18:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/41 "2012-04-17T21:29:54Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I’m less concerned about their names than about my ignorance of what they do. > > Prejudice against gays goes back millennia; it’s wrong. But so is prejudice against heterosexuals. Then I don’t know what to tell you, as you are apparently living in a world i know not of. Prejudice against heterosexuals? Seriously? Name one person who was treated poorly because he or she wanted to mate with the opposite sex. We make up 90% of the population. This is even worse than the people who think white people are being discriminated against. If you want to believe in some fantasy where these people are actually somehow defending the heterosexual family against evil homosexual attacks, I guess that’s your prerogative. But the rest of us know that the only reported attack on the heterosexual family is same sex marriage, which is not in any way an attack, and thus we know that any organization that states to defend the heterosexual family is indeed anti-gay. And, anyways, if you actually cared about the organizations mentioned, you’d have looked them up yourself, rather than asking us to. I’m not going to look it up because I know what the words mean 99 times out of 100, and I know that if there is some organization out there that actually pushes for families in general, including those led by homosexuals, I will be informed of it. Or, at least, so I thought before your unwillingness to look. You asked how the politics works over here, and I answered you. I leave it to you to see if it applies to the organizations listed. But if I had any, I’d be willing to bet money that they are the exact type of organization I said their name suggests. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/42 "2012-04-17T21:43:27Z")
It just dawns on me that I may have misunderstood **Quartz** ’s remark. I don’t want to specify how, since I don’t want to give him ideas on how to deconstruct my argument entirely. It still won’t change the fact that I explained what organizations with those types of names mean 99 times out of 100 over here, and that I’m satisfied with assuming the worst, since I trust that someone would have called the boycotters on it if any of these organizations were pro-family and not anti-homosexual-family. And if **Quartz** is still not similarly satisfied, he is free to look up the organizations by typing them into Google. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2012, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/43 "2012-04-25T09:26:38Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It still won’t change the fact that I explained what organizations with those types of names mean 99 times out of 100 over here, and that I’m satisfied with assuming the worst, since I trust that someone would have called the boycotters on it if any of these organizations were pro-family and not anti-homosexual-family. Yeah well, I’ve been bitten on the arse too many times by trusting the wrong person. As Reagan said, “Trust, but verify.” > [@](#): > > And if **Quartz** is still not similarly satisfied, he is free to look up the organizations by typing them into Google. Well, it’s good to see that you’re lumping all marriage guidance counsellors who are funded by charities as homophobes. Looking at the Winshape website, I see nothing homophobic there, not even reading between the lines. Googling shows up a lot of sites calling them homophobic but no actual cites of actual homophobic actions by them. Promoting heterosexuality doesn’t mean denigrating homosexuality. I note that you have failed to give even one example of homophobic action by Chik-a-fil. This is the Straight Dope: it is the burden of those who make the claim to back it up. You made the claim, you prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/44 "2012-04-26T03:06:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Promoting heterosexuality doesn’t mean denigrating homosexuality. Who the fuck needs to “promote heterosexuality”? Is it in danger of dying? I’m probably not 100% sure than any organization that needs to promote heterosexuality is homophobic, but you can probably count me as 99% sure. There some pro-hetero organizations out there, but I doubt more than one in a hundred actually isn’t homophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/45 "2012-04-26T06:47:52Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Who the fuck needs to “promote heterosexuality”? Is it in danger of dying? Let me recast that for you: Who the fuck needs to “promote homosexuality”? Is it in danger of dying? See? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/46 "2012-04-26T08:03:48Z")
One of the organizations that received money was Focus on the Family. Here are some gems from that organization’s [social issues section](http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues.aspx): > [@](#): > > We affirm the Scriptural teaching that homosexuals can and do change their sexual identity (1 Cor. 6:9-11). > We support counseling and the availability of professional therapy options for unwanted homosexual attractions and behavior. > [@](#): > > We support citizen initiatives at the state level that define marriage as the union of one man and one woman in state constitutions. > > We support the federal Marriage Protection Amendment, which would define marriage at the federal level as the union of one man and one woman. > > We support efforts to limit adoption to married, opposite-sex couples. [Eagle Forum](http://www.eagleforum.org/) is run by a notorious bigot who was a mover and shaker on the Christian far-right before it was really quite so popular politically. Just the fact that it calls itself “pro-family” is instructive; in the US, “pro-family” means anti-gay and anti-choice, but here are some more statements from the [page setting out the group’s mission](http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/descript.html): > [@](#): > > We support congressional action to curb the Imperial Judiciary by refusing to confirm activist judges and by withdrawing jurisdiction from the federal courts over areas where we don’t trust them, such as the Pledge of Allegiance, the Ten Commandments, the Boy Scouts, and the definition of marriage. > [@](#): > > We support constitutional amendments and federal and state legislation to protect the institution of marriage and the equally important roles of father and mother.We honor the fulltime homemaker and her rights in joint income tax returns. > [@](#): > > Eagle Forum successfully led the ten-year battle to defeat the misnamed Equal Rights Amendment with its hidden agenda of tax-funded abortions and same-sex marriages. These statements are slightly more coded. But you can be assured that when they don’t trust the federal judiciary on “the definition of marriage,” it’s not because they think the courts will be too slow to require equality. Likewise, they don’t want to “protect the institution of marriage” from bigotry, but from gay people. That becomes more obvious when you see that they opposed the Equal Rights Amendment because of its “hidden agenda…of same-sex marriages.” Same-sex marriage wasn’t legal in any state or really even considered as a serious policy proposal when the ERA was proposed in the 1970s, so any “hidden agenda” on same-sex marriage could only have been to legalize it (the status quo not being easy to hide as an agenda). ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/47 "2012-04-26T08:12:35Z")
And I just noticed Exodus International on the list. The _sole reason for its existence_ is to spread pseudoscientific nonsense about how gay people can be cured of homosexuality (the “exodus” is the flight of gay people away from homosexuality). Its [mission statement](http://exodusinternational.org/about-us/mission-doctrine/) is this sentence fragment: > [@](#): > > Mobilizing the body of Christ to minister grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/48 "2012-04-26T12:34:17Z")
This is the difference between promoting heterosexuality > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > One of the organizations that received money was Focus on the Family. Here are some gems from that organization’s [social issues section](http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues.aspx) and being homophobic: > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > And I just noticed Exodus International on the list. The _sole reason for its existence_ is to spread pseudoscientific nonsense about how gay people can be cured of homosexuality (the “exodus” is the flight of gay people away from homosexuality). Its [mission statement](http://exodusinternational.org/about-us/mission-doctrine/) is this sentence fragment: Thank you. Case proven, ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/49 "2012-04-26T18:01:30Z")
Do you have an example of one of these groups that just innocently “promotes heterosexuality”? I’ve never seen a group that “promotes heterosexuality” for any reason other than that it hates homosexuality. I’m not even sure how it would be possible, actually. (You quoted information from Focus on the Family after saying “promoting heterosexuality,” but as I pointed out, it’s an anti-gay hate group, to the point that it supports Exodus International’s mission of cleansing homosexuality from the Earth with fake psychology.) ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/50 "2012-04-26T18:30:49Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Let me recast that for you: > > Who the fuck needs to “promote homosexuality”? Is it in danger of dying? > > See? Yes it is. The Far right is actively trying to drive it back underground like it was in the good old days when women and colored people new their places. This has been in the news lately. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683/51 "2012-04-27T01:13:25Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Let me recast that for you: > > Who the fuck needs to “promote homosexuality”? Is it in danger of dying? > > See? Gay marriage is mostly “dead” around the world. So, yeah, it needs promoting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chow-down-at-chik-fil-a/618683.md?page=2)