# Christian Militias. Just what we need... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 29, 2010, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239 "2010-03-29T19:05:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/61 "2010-03-30T01:56:26Z")
> [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](#): > > Here’s what I can not figure out. Like McVie, these guys thought that the populace would rise up and join them in their fight after seeing their example of how to kill off government agents. > > Yeah, they’re crazy. But not too crazy to dress themselves, use the internet, and build a bomb. How on earth could they delude themselves into believing that there is this population of like-minded folks just waiting for someone to lead by example and kill policemen. I think you’re giving them too much credit. I don’t think they even thought it through that far. I think their thought process was basically, “We’ll kill some police officers, and this will lead to an uprising against the government”. They’re like the Underpants Gnomes of militant groups. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/62 "2010-03-30T03:07:28Z")
If Jefferson was right that we need a revolution every twenty years, why are those who try it such flaming loons? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/63 "2010-03-30T03:12:50Z")
OK, Jefferson was wrong. I’m over it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/64 "2010-03-30T03:57:57Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > [Active Marine Talks Reality to Agitators](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/27/851437/-Active-Marine-TalksReality-to-Agitators) The letter cited was subsequently deleted by the author, but if you dig down toward the end of the comments you’ll find a link to a cache of the article. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/65 "2010-03-30T05:00:27Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Wow, for once a statement by **DT** I can unqualifyingly disagree with. They will definitely be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. > > Of course, Obama will then be accused of waging a holy war on Christianity by [del]FOX[/del] [del]lunatics[/del] FOX. So, just to be clear, you’re saying that Fox is going to defend these guys, or blame Obama for unjustly going after them? Want to put a little wager on that? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/66 "2010-03-30T05:17:56Z")
Best guess: its the Dems fault for ramming, cramming, slamming, stuffing rampant socialism down America’s throat, and while we certainly renounce, denounce, and condemn all forms of violence, its clearly their fault, and we must be ever more vigilant as they attempt to exploit these minor incidents to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment, Nancy Pelosi… About like that. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/67 "2010-03-30T07:13:41Z")
I need help deciphering what I found on their [Doctrine](http://www.hutaree.com/doctrine.htm) page. > [@](#): > > Jesus spoke of the ten virgins in Matthew 25: 1-12. The wise ones took enough oil to last the whole night, just in case the bridegroom was late. The foolish ones took not enough oil to last the whole night and figured that the bridegroom would arrive earlier than he did. … Oiled virgins? I’m not sure here, but wouldn’t they need more oil rather than less the if groom arrived early? Note they say ‘arrived’ and not ‘came’. I’m sure from their POV that the party’s over when the groom comes. I gotta read me some more bible. This sounds like pretty hot stuff. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/68 "2010-03-30T11:28:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Just what we need. An interstellar holy war. Hey, we might have batshit-crazy beliefs, but we don’t hold our hymn books with tentacles! ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/69 "2010-03-30T12:02:59Z")
> [@emcee2k](#): > > I just find it hilarious that she considers plotting to kill police officers to be taking praying and going to church too far. > > And why is it nearly every national news story that comes out of my home state seem to involve at least one lunatic? Way to represent, Michigan. I actually lived in Adrian for a year or two when I was growing up. I can’t say I’m surprised this happened. I have been subjected to Facebook rants about how the government will use this to declare a police state and distract everyone from the \*real \*problem – health care! I wish I could say I was surprised. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/70 "2010-03-30T13:02:00Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Ah, c’mon, these guys are going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent. They’re going to be prosecuted? To the fullest extent? In a legal proceeding? Where due process rules are followed? And they have habeas corpus rights? And can talk to their own attorneys? And they’re not being subjected to torture? That’s crazy! > [@](#): > > Sometimes your act really does get old, y’know? When they get tortured and denied their basic rights like Padilla, you can convince me that they’re not being treated with kid gloves. But since we all know that’s not going to happen (gee, I wonder why), I think kid gloves is a fair descriptor. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/71 "2010-03-30T13:06:01Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So, just to be clear, you’re saying that Fox is going to defend these guys, or blame Obama for unjustly going after them? > [@elucidator](#): > > Best guess: its the Dems fault for ramming, cramming, slamming, stuffing rampant socialism down America’s throat, and while we certainly renounce, denounce, and condemn all forms of violence, its clearly their fault, and we must be ever more vigilant as they attempt to exploit these minor incidents to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment, Nancy Pelosi… Pretty much that. “This never would have happened on a Republican’s watch, clearly the Dems need to rethink their strategy for reaching the people” or something. And no, I’m not really interested in a wager. I’ve just been amusing myself the past few weeks thinking of how FOX could spin anything that happens against Obama. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/72 "2010-03-30T13:12:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Hutaree’s website](http://hutaree.com/) is still up, for the moment. On their BeastWatch page, they even have the humorous list of “Numbers of the Beast”. [http://www.hutaree.com/ezrafiles.htm](http://www.hutaree.com/ezrafiles.htm) Yeah, they’ll need that sense of humor… IN PRISON! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/73 "2010-03-30T13:14:22Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Pretty much that. “This never would have happened on a Republican’s watch, clearly the Dems need to rethink their strategy for reaching the people” or something. > > And no, I’m not really interested in a wager. I’ve just been amusing myself the past few weeks thinking of how FOX could spin anything that happens against Obama. The incidents involving The CSA & The Order happened during the Reagan Administration, and Ruby Ridge of course under Dad Bush. Which does show that conservative Republican administrations WILL go after wacky Righties. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/74 "2010-03-30T13:17:56Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > The incidents involving The CSA & The Order happened during the Reagan Administration, and Ruby Ridge of course under Dad Bush. > > Which does show that conservative Republican administrations WILL go after wacky Righties. Do you think silly things like “facts” will give Fox pause? Silly true stuff has never been a factor in their spin. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/75 "2010-03-30T13:30:48Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Pretty much that. “This never would have happened on a Republican’s watch, clearly the Dems need to rethink their strategy for reaching the people” or something. > > And no, I’m not really interested in a wager. I’ve just been amusing myself the past few weeks thinking of how FOX could spin anything that happens against Obama. What happened? Nothing “happened”. These guys were stopped. But if it makes you feel smugly superior to spin this as a slam against FOX, have at it. You’re just doing exactly what you accuse them of doing. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/76 "2010-03-30T13:33:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > OK, Jefferson was wrong. I’m over it. Even a visionary squirrel mistakes something for a nut once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![dhkendall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9adbd/32.png) [@dhkendall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dhkendall)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/77 "2010-03-30T14:10:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > " I am come not to bring peace, but a lightweight, 5.56 mm, air-cooled, gas-operated, magazine-fed assault rifle, with a rotating bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation." Jesus: when come back bring whoop-ass. > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > What is it with these types of fellas that keep a small-arms arsenal, thinking they’ll be revolutionaries in case the government “gets uppity”? > > Newsflash: the government has ships, tanks, warplanes and more armed soldiers than you can ever possibly hope to defeat. > > I suppose they have the mistaken belief that if “enough” of them band together, they can usurp the US government. Ain’t happening. I think it’s because of the mythos the American Revolution has in your country. 234 years ago a bunch of hopelessly outgunned and outmanned people took on an unjust government that happened to have the largest military in the world - and won. If you keep repeating that to the populace a kajillion times or so, then yeah they’ll get it in their head that another American Revolution would be successful! > [@FriarTed](#): > > On their BeastWatch page, they even have the humorous list of “Numbers of the Beast”. > > [http://www.hutaree.com/ezrafiles.htm](http://www.hutaree.com/ezrafiles.htm) > > Yeah, they’ll need that sense of humor… IN PRISON! Can’t access from work (well, to be honest, didn’t even try, but I’m sure I won’t be able to), but do they actually recognize the piece (I’m sure I know what you’re talking about) as humour? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/78 "2010-03-30T14:25:03Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > The gift for understatement award goes to… > > “It started out as a Christian thing,” said Donna Stone, 44. “You go to church. You pray. You take care of your family. I think David started to take it a little too far.” > > Yeah, I’d say at least a little. I think she skipped a few steps in the process… ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/79 "2010-03-30T14:48:49Z")
Who expects Fox news to remember or care about anything that happened under Reagan or Bush? That’s like Ancient History and stuff. Besides, everyone knows that if the Republicans do it, then it was completely justified and morally proper, but if the democrats do it, then they’re clearly wrong and it has to be part of some Communist Plot. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239/80 "2010-03-30T15:01:17Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Who expects Fox news to remember or care about anything that happened under Reagan or Bush? That’s like Ancient History and stuff. > > Besides, everyone knows that if the Republicans do it, then it was completely justified and morally proper, but if the democrats do it, then they’re clearly wrong and it has to be part of some Communist Plot. Agreed, but **John Mace** is right. I don’t need to start attacking them for what they haven’t said (yet), even if it’s entertaining to think of what they _might_ say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-militias-just-what-we-need/534239.md?page=5)