# Christian Nationalism, Mormonism, and a new law in Idaho **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2025, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473 "2025-07-27T12:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/101 "2025-07-30T16:14:49Z")
Perhaps “Christian Nationalism, Mormonism and a new law in Idaho”? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2025, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/102 "2025-07-30T20:19:52Z")
I like it! The proposed title, that is. Not the Christian nationalism. 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/103 "2025-07-30T20:38:41Z")
Done! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/104 "2025-07-30T21:43:56Z")
Much better title, more reflective of the actual thread content. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/105 "2025-07-30T23:37:36Z")
There’s a verse in the Qur’an that comes right out and says “Some of these verses have a clear obvious meaning, while others are ambiguous, and only God knows what they mean, so quit arguing over them.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/106 "2025-07-30T23:43:08Z")
[Surah 3, Verse 7](https://quran.com/3) > [@](#): > > هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايَـٰتٌۭ مُّحْكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌۭ ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌۭ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ٱبْتِغَآءَ ٱلْفِتْنَةِ وَٱبْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۗ وَٱلرَّٰسِخُونَ فِى ٱلْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّۭ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُو۟لُوا۟ ٱلْأَلْبَـٰبِ > > He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise—they are the foundation of the Book—while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations—but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺—it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/107 "2025-07-31T00:11:47Z")
It’s that one, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2025, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473/108 "2025-07-31T23:00:48Z")
Coming into the thread rather late: > [@Tamerlane](#): > > The hardline evangelical Protestant Christian right in the United States will happily make common cause with the likes of conservative Catholics (or Israeli Jews) when it suits their purposes. But ecumenical they are not. Lie in bed with them long enough and eventually they will attempt to eat your face Eventually they’ll eat each other’s faces, also. That’s where these things wind up, if not stopped. Which won’t really be any comfort or use to those whose faces got eaten first. – They’re looking for safety, in trying to make everybody, or at least everybody with any power, be like them. But there is no safety there. The only protection for any religious belief is to protect all of them. (Short of actually trying to sacrifice the neighbors, of course. But that’s nearly always a libel.) > [@CalMeacham](#): > > Nevertheless it _feels_ mean-spirited, considering how people use the word “Christian”. Consider how that fashion of using the word “Christian” comes across to Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, members of hundreds (at least) of other religions still managing to exist in this world, agnostics, atheists, and whoever I’ve managed to leave out. I grant that it’s often not _consciously_ mean-spirited. But the underlying sense, if you mean what I think you mean by “considering how people use the word Christian” is ‘somebody doing something good must be a Christian’ – or, in other words, ‘anybody not a Christian must be Bad’. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > he pretty much said, “of course I’ve always been a Christian, and I’m still a Christian, because I’m spiritual”, and i was, honestly, pretty offended. “Christians” don’t have a monopoly on spirituality. Yup, that’s how some people use the word “Christian”. And yes, it’s offensive. > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Isn’t that how religion works? Any manner of cruelty is justified if it is calculated to show people the error of their ways so that they may come around an accept Christ and, through his grace, the gift of everlasting life? That’s not how “religion” works. That’s how some specific versions of religion work. There are plenty of religions that don’t work that way; including some versions of Christianity. > [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > > laws work the way they are (sometimes very selectively) enforced > > That’s not true. Even in autocracies laws have precise written definitions. Tell that to any Black person murdered in much of 20th century USA. Or sometimes since. Or to a hell of a lot of other people who have either had a law selectively enforced on them, or been unable to get a law enforced on somebody who’s wronged them, despite the way in which the law was written. The law may well have a precise written definition. But if the judge and/or jury and/or whatever official has to bring charges doesn’t like that precise meaning – that’s not what will happen. To some extent that’s what appeals courts are for – but if enough of the society agrees with the judge and/or jury and/or the official bringers (or non-bringers) of charges, chances are the appeals courts will also. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-nationalism-mormonism-and-a-new-law-in-idaho/1021473.md?page=5)