Did anybody die because of his preaching?
That seems to have been more of an excuse to kill people they disliked-Ernst Rohm was homosexual and he only died later on in a purge.
At any rate, would you not rather prefer that he would have changed his mind than simply have died? What of the idea “Hate the Idea, not the person who spreads it”?
Are you aware of the statistics for suicide among gay teens? He may or may not have been directly responsible for any specific person committing suicide, but he contributed to the collective atmosphere of religious/social shaming which causes gay kids to become suicidal.
Most people critical of homosexuality don’t want homosexuals to die, so it is not directly his or anyone else’s fault. Most suicides by homosexual teens are, I think, due to more direct causes such as bullying at school.
This is disingenuous on both counts. First of all, being “critical of homosexuality” is like being “critical of being black.” Sexual orientation is as innate as gender or race. Being “critical” of it is being critical of who a person is, not what they do. Secondly, whether or not they consciously want homosexuals to die (and don’t be so sure that percentge is small…there are strains of Christianity which want to make homosexual sex a capital offense. You should takke a look at what’s going on in Uganda, specifically at the instigation of American missionaries), they still do harm to gay kids by their moral condemnation, shaming and open hostility. Thirdly, it’s precisely that kind of filth being preached from, the pulpit which marginalizes gay kids and makes bullies feel entitled to harass them.
No small amount of these suicides come as a result of rejection from parents, by the way. Parents who are brainwashed by homophobic preachers.
I’ve never held to that philosophy in my life. People are their ideas to a large extent, that’s like saying “hate the hand, not the person the hand is attached to.” A person who holds evil ideas is evil. But yes, I’d prefer that he’d simply changed his mind because that would mean he’d done so earlier.
It’s been thoroughly discredited by Christian bigots who used it to justify their treatment of homosexuals.
I’m glad he’s dead. Jesus has killed him to punish him for being evil. He’s rotting in the fires of hell as we speak and I for one take comfort from that. Any other interpretation is the work of Satan.
Or not, I’m cool either way.
Well, I’d give him credit for that, though it still doesn’t move me to mourn his death.
Ok, I had to look and now I’m on the mildly celebratory camp that he died.
On Operation Desert Storm, missiles from Iraq targeted Israel, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Later, on Operation Iraqi Freedom, 10 or so missiles where launched to Kuwait.
So, it is clear to me that this author had no grief by lying in the name of the lord.
And I guess God told him that the foolish invasion of Iraq was ordained by him and the one million Iraqis dead and 2 million refugees and almost 5000 dead coalition members were willed by God.
Who should I grieve for again?
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Not necessarilly. Many Christians I’ve read argue it is homosexual acts that are sinful and that two men can even live together provided their relationship is not sexual. Plus while I do agree some people are more disposed to homosexuality, many people are naturally disposed to certain things which we would consider bad, yet as we learn, we learn to stop or control that behaviour.
I’ve actually looked up that law on Wikipedia to-day and according to it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill:
the death penalty will be imposed only on those who commit pedophilia or those who have HIV/AIDS and thus spread the disease by commiting sexual acts. So its not the same as “kill all the homos”.
Bullies attack anyone who seems “different” from them. there is no widespread sentiment against Asians for instance (indeed most people see them as model citizens) yet they suffer bullying.
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I don’t think that’s exclusively Christian or Abhramic. After all China and other East Asian nations are more stringently anti-homosexual than the West.
But many current atheists were people who were outwardly religious-even fundamentalist earlier in their lives. Would you have been glad they died earlier when they held those believes rather than change those minds about? And suppose the OP’s subject had changed his mind five years later, would you have preferred that to him dying now?
I find it interesting that there is less sympathy here than in the thread on the mother who killed her baby.
I sincerely hope that you will soon understand how offensive this statement is.
I feel for the man’s family, his friends and loved ones, but I’m basically “meh”, on his death. I generally don’t celebrate when people die, unless we’re talking dictators, and even then it’s more of a just a “spit on so-and-so’s grave” type of thing.
I’ve never even HEARD of this guy, anyways.
That isn’t how I read it. Specifically, the law (you can read it here) counts the serial offense of homosexuality as a criterion for the offense of aggravated homosexuality, where the latter is punishable by death. The offense of homosexuality is defined merely as sexual activity between persons of the same sex, and serial appears to mean at least one prior offense.
Thus if you are convicted of having homosexual sex twice, you may be punished with death. No pedophilia or venereal disease required.
Hmm…I seemed to have misread it…
You really can’t compare homosexuality to, say, kleptomania or suchlike as I believe you’re doing here. It seems unreasonable to say that homosexual love, for example, is perfectly acceptable and a-ok, but homosexual acts are sinful, because one pretty much leads to the other. You’re shutting off an entire means of showing and sharing love between people.
Beyond that, the entire idea of homosexual acts being sinful, or indeed any act being inherently sinful, makes no sense to me. Is it the physical action which displeases God? It seems to me that intent means, or should mean, more than the simple act itself. If I kill someone, with purpose, then certainly I have done something bad. If I kill someone accidentally, through no fault of my own, then I would argue i’ve done no wrong. If I kill someone in order that I might save 10 people, I would argue i’ve performed a good deed. Yet if I have sex with another man, it doesn’t matter that it is done out of love and respect? The mere act itself, the physical motions, are what annoys God?
I’m happy he’s dead in the same way I’m happy when a murderer is dead
If the intent is to commit homosexual acts, it is the comprable to the act. But I did not mean lust but love, and love can be non-sexual.
Such as Dr. George Tiller? :rolleyes: (And no I was not glad Dr. Tiller got murdered)
What makes it “sinful?” Who does it harm and what is their justification for calling it a “sin?”
What’s “bad” about homosexual sex?
I’ve actually looked up that law on Wikipedia to-day and according to it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill:
You didn’t read your own link. The death penalty also would apply to anyone who is convicted of homosexual acts more than onec (not just pedophilia or having AIDS, but ANY homosexual sex).
The most pernicious bullying is that which occurs when the majority are given to feel that they have social permission to marginalize and harass a minority.
who said it was exclusively Christian? So what? How does that excuse Christians?
I believe this has been discussed to the effect of a hundred times here and a billion times total through history.
I already admitted I misread it.
If this was true than fundamentalists and Muslims would be persecuted and bullied the most considering the Hollywood depictions of the former and paranoidacs rantings against the latter.
You were constantly referring to ministers and so on.
My personal take on this sort of thing: I don’t care who it is – I’m not going to celebrate somebody’s death. Quietly consider whether its ironic, or what have you? Ehh, perhaps. But, well…why laugh when the hearse goes by?