# "Christian" publishers are crooks, sky is blue. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905 "2017-05-05T12:58:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/1 "2017-05-05T12:58:41Z")
I’m putting this in The Pit because it would probably end up here anyway. Christian vanity press [Tate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tate_Publishing_%26_Enterprises) has folded after the founders and owners are charged with embezzlement, and still manage to [wrap themselves with self-righteousness](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/fox-business-expert-indicted-on-8-counts-then-caught-berating-employees-before-crying-and-firing-them/). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/2 "2017-05-05T13:32:12Z")
If that article is correct, the Tates deposited vast amounts of company money into their personal accounts, and then blamed their problems on employees reading Facebook at work. W.T.F. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/3 "2017-05-05T14:15:15Z")
Any business invoking the label “Christian” is automatically suspect. I have yet to encounter an exception. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/4 "2017-05-05T14:16:34Z")
Pretty much that. If you meet a business person who loves to loudly proclaim that they are a christian, they most certainly are not. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/5 "2017-05-05T15:45:27Z")
They say patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. But patriotism will have to work hard to stay ahead of religion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/6 "2017-05-05T16:29:39Z")
Which is why the term “Christian Patriot” is so fucking scary. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/7 "2017-05-05T16:48:16Z")
Hey, it’s a good cover story for all sorts of shenanigans. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/8 "2017-05-05T16:50:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > If that article is correct, the Tates deposited vast amounts of company money into their personal accounts, and then blamed their problems on employees reading Facebook at work. Yeah, that’s what I thought the article meant, too, but it turns out the recording and firings were from 2012. [Here](http://accrispin.blogspot.com/2016/06/tate-publishing-enterprises-slapped.html) is a longer piece. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/9 "2017-05-05T17:03:48Z")
I wonder if they are connected to the old Tate’s Compass Company. It used to be said of them that, “He who has a Tate’s is lost.” And the Tate family seem to be very lost. Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/10 "2017-05-05T22:54:51Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I wonder if they are connected to the old Tate’s Compass Company. It used to be said of them that, “He who has a Tate’s is lost.” > > And the Tate family seem to be very lost. Tates one to know one. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/11 "2017-05-06T00:39:19Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Tates one to know one. 😛 Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/12 "2017-05-06T01:01:15Z")
Careful now. Circle jerks are a SDMB tradition, but this particular one carries a real risk of someone’s dick getting yanked clean off in a paroxysm of outrage and superiority. Just for shiggles, is the non-Xian vanity press notably more ethical as an industry? If so, carry on. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/13 "2017-05-06T01:35:54Z")
No. Do they brag about their godly ethics? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/14 "2017-05-06T01:38:08Z")
Quick rundown. Fired most of US based employees in 2012 after a rant/prayer session. Moved most of the business to Philippines. Recently screwed over all the Filipinos by closing up shop suddenly with no wages or required severance pay. Screwed over Xerox on commercial printers. Masqueraded as a small business expert on FOX news. It’s a / was a vanity press operation (you the author paid for the publishing/distribution later making profits from the sale). Stiffed the authors for product, payments, refunds. Looted company of all funds to personal bank accounts. Recently re-incorporated to start the ripoff fresh again - then the arrest. And other bad shit. Wife is hot though - Republican connections - helped to prop up the business. [https://www.google.com/search?q=ryan+tate+wife&rlz=1CATAAC\_enUS692US692&oq=ryan+tate+wife&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.5346j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=ryan+tate+wife&rlz=1CATAAC_enUS692US692&oq=ryan+tate+wife&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.5346j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/15 "2017-05-06T01:47:33Z")
I’ve told y’all about my moth-to-a-flame attraction to Republican women. In CCD it was Kathleen, a redhead, but she was at least a Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/16 "2017-05-06T04:13:05Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Any business invoking the label “Christian” is automatically suspect. I have yet to encounter an exception. Sadly, you’re usually right, and I’m Christian myself. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/17 "2017-05-06T07:58:04Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > Quick rundown. Fired most of US based employees in 2012 after a rant/prayer session. Moved most of the business to Philippines. Recently screwed over all the Filipinos by closing up shop suddenly with no wages or required severance pay. Screwed over Xerox on commercial printers. Masqueraded as a small business expert on FOX news. It’s a / was a vanity press operation (you the author paid for the publishing/distribution later making profits from the sale). Stiffed the authors for product, payments, refunds. Looted company of all funds to personal bank accounts. Recently re-incorporated to start the ripoff fresh again - then the arrest. > > And other bad shit. > > Wife is hot though - Republican connections - helped to prop up the business. > [ryan tate wife - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=ryan+tate+wife&rlz=1CATAAC_enUS692US692&oq=ryan+tate+wife&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.5346j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) The best most concise post ever. Saved the most important part for the end… “Wife is hot though” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/18 "2017-05-06T11:22:32Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I wonder if they are connected to the old Tate’s Compass Company. It used to be said of them that, “He who has a Tate’s is lost.” I don’t know, but there is a branch of the family that is Catholic and far wealthier and more politically connected. They’re the _potent_ Tates. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/19 "2017-05-06T12:21:17Z")
Shouldn’t threads concerning Church and Tate be in Great Debates? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905/20 "2017-05-06T13:25:55Z")
So jail time is ultimately the Tateaway from all this. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-publishers-are-crooks-sky-is-blue/785905.md?page=2)