# "Christian" website does crowdfund for underage Kenosha shooter after GFM refuses to do it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401 "2020-08-30T22:56:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/1 "2020-08-30T22:56:44Z")
I think it would be cool, for want of a better word, if the people who started it get in trouble for not donating the money. [https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ](https://www.givesendgo.com/GUCZ) I tried to post this on Facebook, and it wouldn’t allow me to post the link AND auto-deleted the post. I posted it here so people could read the comments if their stomachs are strong enough to do so, and I do realize that some people might have taken advantage of it so they could contribute themselves. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/2 "2020-08-30T23:02:20Z")
I forgot to mention in the OP that as of right now, they’ve raised almost $250,000 - money that could have, among other things, fed and sheltered a lot of homeless people. ---
**Author:** ![TheCuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thecuse/32/2854_2.png) [@TheCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheCuse)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/3 "2020-08-30T23:12:53Z")
Well, I figure folks can donate their money to whatever cause they want to. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/4 "2020-08-30T23:13:01Z")
You are aware that you just posted a link to the “contribute to the murderer’s defense fund” right? (ETA: I’ll send $25 to the ACLU as a result, thanks.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/5 "2020-08-30T23:43:56Z")
> [@TheCuse](#): > > Well, I figure folks can donate their money to whatever cause they want to. Do you, now? I don’t figure that they should donate their money to causes that are anti-social, immoral, or otherwise counterproductive to the interests of a peaceful and just society. This fucker has been charged with – among other things – first-degree intentional homicide, reckless homicide, attempted intentional homicide and two counts of recklessly endangering safety. That’s potentially enough to put him away for life. He was a gun fanatic, cheerleader for police power, and of course an avid Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![TheCuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thecuse/32/2854_2.png) [@TheCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheCuse)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/6 "2020-08-30T23:56:17Z")
And folks can still donate to his defense fund if they want to. I don’t like it, but if that’s what they want to do, no one can really stop them. It’s their money. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/7 "2020-08-31T00:01:52Z")
And we can pit both those that donate, and those who facilitate such donations. ---
**Author:** ![TheCuse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thecuse/32/2854_2.png) [@TheCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheCuse)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/8 "2020-08-31T00:04:44Z")
You sure can. It would be interesting to see if anyone here donates, but that is unlikely. I don’t understand why folks would donate to something like that. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/9 "2020-08-31T00:07:02Z")
The motherfucker lives in Antioch. Illinois. Which is not Kenosha, Wisconsin. He heard of “trouble” across the state line, grabbed his rifle, and drove to Wisconsin. Now, the only people killed in the “trouble” were killed by him. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/10 "2020-08-31T00:08:09Z")
Is there a go fund me for the victims and their families? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/11 "2020-08-31T00:09:36Z")
Maybe the OP is following that side of things, whaddya say, OP? ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/12 "2020-08-31T01:05:46Z")
I haven’t bothered to look to see if the website is Christian as well as “Christian”, but as a Christian, the quotation marks bother me. As a Christian, I support criminals and other sinners, and I’m not ashamed of it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/13 "2020-08-31T01:13:26Z")
I notice in that ridiculous crowdfunding stunt, they’vee altered the flag of the United States of America to have one blue stripe in place of one of the second white stripe from the bottom. (Does that mean they think all cops are white, or that the only cops that matter are white?) Can you imagine what the reaction would be if, say, Black Lives Matter protestors were to carry a similarly altered flag but with a black stripe in place of one of the red or white stripes? And what’s with people who generally demand other people join with them in worshiping the US flag altering said flag? Now back to the felon in question: ISTR that he was illegally armed in the first place. This individual most definitely is not “a good guy with a gun” unless you count “bigoted racist white sociopath” as “a good guy”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/14 "2020-08-31T01:18:32Z")
As a Christian, the quotation marks don’t bother me in the least. The money pouring in for the shooter’s legal defense isn’t out of some urge to save this young man from evil, but rather to _support_ his evil works, somehow regarding them as good. I don’t believe in any of this Antichrist/Tribulation/Rapture bullshit, but I’ve said a number of times that if the Antichrist were real, Donald Trump would be a pretty good dry run for him, a proof of concept that the time was right for the real thing. And the “Christians” of America’s evangelical movement are overwhelmingly in his corner. And they love him most of all because, like this young man, he wants to stick it to the same people they want to stick it to. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/15 "2020-08-31T01:38:07Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > As a Christian, I support criminals and other sinners, and I’m not ashamed of it. What do you mean by “support”? Do you mean forgive them and release them into the community without consequence? Do you mean encourage them? What I believe in is justice, which means justifiable mercy balanced with the best interests and safety of society. It doesn’t seem to me likely that the majority of those contributing to this murderer’s defense fund are doing so in order to serve the cause of justice – that they’re doing it because otherwise he won’t receive a fair trial. I think they’re doing it because they support him – because they like what he did. I bet most of them have Trump-Pence signs on their front lawns and hypocrisy in their souls. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/16 "2020-08-31T01:50:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I notice in that ridiculous crowdfunding stunt, they’vee altered the flag of the United States of America to have one blue stripe in place of one of the second white stripe from the bottom. (Does that mean they think all cops are white, or that the only cops that matter are white?) That’s a cop flag. Lots of cops in America fly it. It didn’t exist prior to BLM. Curious, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/17 "2020-08-31T02:26:02Z")
I knew what it is. My point is these flag worshipers are defacing the flag. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/18 "2020-08-31T02:51:02Z")
It just boggled my mind that ANY organization other than hardcore white supremacists would allow such a fundraiser, and posted the link so Dopers would know it was real. The original link I saw was just to the GSG website had, on its home page, a fundraiser with a mixed-race couple (he’s black, she’s white, and they had two young children and were needing money for uninsured medical expenses) so it’s a pretty safe bet the webmasters aren’t racist. Apolitical? Doesn’t sound like it. One of the few comments I DID see was someone who signed themselves, “Hardcore atheist and hardcore 2nd amendment believer.” Yikes. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/19 "2020-08-31T07:50:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > You are aware that you just posted a link to the “contribute to the murderer’s defense fund” right? > (ETA: I’ll send $25 to the ACLU as a result, thanks.) I just sent mine to the Democratic National Campaign. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/20 "2020-08-31T10:18:21Z")
According to the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/30/kenosha-shooting-victims-defense/): > [@](#): > > A GoFundMe campaign for protester Gaige Grosskreutz, who was wounded in the encounter with Rittenhouse, has raised more than $43,000 for his medical bills. And another has raised nearly $150,000 for Anthony Huber, who was killed. The same site removed a fundraiser for Rittenhouse last week, but a Christian crowdsourcing site has raised nearly $250,000 for Rittenhouse’s legal fees from donors who call him “courageous” and “a patriot.” There’s a go fund me site for Joseph Rosenbaum, too, which has raised a little less than $25,000. (I have no idea if any of the sites are legit; I’m not posting links. There are multiple go fund me pages for the two who were killed.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401.md?page=2)