# "Christian" website does crowdfund for underage Kenosha shooter after GFM refuses to do it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401 "2020-08-30T22:56:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/21 "2020-08-31T10:20:47Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The motherfucker lives in Antioch. Illinois. Which is not Kenosha, Wisconsin. He heard of “trouble” across the state line, grabbed his rifle, and drove to Wisconsin. Now, the only people killed in the “trouble” were killed by him. Fuck him. Point of fact: He didn’t bring his own rifle - one of his friends in the “militia” (which is the white right-wing term for “gang of armed thugs”) gave him one when he arrived. Another fun fact: AIUI you must be 18 to open-carry in Wisconsin. Rittenhouse is 17. Funny how the police let that one slide, right before they let murder slide. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/22 "2020-08-31T11:08:54Z")
Thabks for the correction. Would an Illinois teen need a Wisconsin license to open carry in Wisconsin? Or is that why he used a “Wisconsin gun”? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/23 "2020-08-31T11:45:33Z")
To those at that "Christian funding site and those who support this, who call themselves Christian, this comes to mind: > “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: > > These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary. > > 4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. > > 7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. It is a warning and a promise, God will not stand with you if you continue and will remove your lampstand, these actions and support have nothing to do with God or Love but a abuse of His holy name, repent and be restored, continue and go dark. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/24 "2020-08-31T11:52:44Z")
I get the metaphor but as punishments go, “I will remove your lampstand” sounds a little underwhelming. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/25 "2020-08-31T12:22:11Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > AIUI you must be 18 to open-carry in Wisconsin. Rittenhouse is 17. Funny how the police let that one slide, right before they let murder slide. Well, it does perfectly follow the Republican notion of ‘law and order’. I’m surprised that the victims haven’t been charged with public endangerment for getting shot at. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/26 "2020-08-31T12:48:44Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > As a Christian, I support criminals and other sinners, and I’m not ashamed of it. Christian? If you say so. Disingenuous as fuck? Without a doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/27 "2020-08-31T12:52:30Z")
I believe that it means that their evilness will be reveled for all to see. No toning it down behind a shade of lies and excuses. Yeah, God doesn’t like people condoning murder in his name. Thou shall not kill and thou shall not bear false witness are my cites. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/28 "2020-08-31T14:08:02Z")
I recommend all listen to the excellent “Rabbit Hole” podcast that talks about how Youtube and social media are being used to radicalize young people. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Rittenmilita went down the same hole. We are growing our own brand of ISIS in the US. And those fellow idiots will gladly donate to other red-hatted ISIS members. ---
**Author:** ![Mickyfinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@Mickyfinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mickyfinn)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/29 "2020-08-31T14:23:34Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > As a Christian, I support criminals and other sinners, and I’m not ashamed of it. The correct thing to do then is condemn him in the strongest terms possible, make sure his disgusting, stupid ass rots in prison, then you can go read him the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/30 "2020-08-31T14:28:02Z")
The person accused of crimes needs to render unto Caesar first, then render unto God. Do they even know if he has the means to provide for his own defense? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/31 "2020-08-31T15:00:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Point of fact: He didn’t bring his own rifle - one of his friends in the “militia” (which is the white right-wing term for “gang of armed thugs”) gave him one when he arrived. Another fun fact: After the shooting, Rittenhouse was understandably freaked out, and walked back toward the police cars with his hands raised, as bystanders point at him and yell “He shot somebody!” The police let him by. He wasn’t arrested until later, in his home back in Illinois. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/32 "2020-08-31T15:08:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > That’s a cop flag. Lots of cops in America fly it. It didn’t exist prior to BLM. Curious, eh? I saw it a few times last year before BLM but, yeah, it’s gotten a lot of traction since BLM started ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/33 "2020-08-31T15:10:57Z")
Did he take the rifle home or return it to its owner? I was my understanding that he borrowed it. If so wouldn’t that make the person who loaned it to a minor an accessory to murder? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/34 "2020-08-31T15:32:17Z")
No idea where to post this question, so I’ll foist it on you guys. All the pictures I see of Rittenhouse have him wearing blue plastic gloves. Why and howcum? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/35 "2020-08-31T15:36:01Z")
Only reason I can think of would be to hide the fact that he had fired the rifle, trying to keep gunshot residue off of his hands. Which would mean he intended to fire before hand, a factor in determining premeditated murder. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/36 "2020-08-31T15:43:54Z")
2 by 2, hands of blue… quote aside, he was trying to tell people he was an emt, and asking if they need medical help. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/37 "2020-08-31T15:50:33Z")
At what point does “raising funds for legal defense” become committing the crime of [Accessory after the fact](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/accessory_after_the_fact)? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/38 "2020-08-31T16:03:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I get the metaphor but as punishments go, “I will remove your lampstand” sounds a little underwhelming. Word. My lampstand is just taking up floor space anyway. I’m thinking of putting in a couple of wall sconces to make room for an exercise bike, or maybe a StairMaster. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/39 "2020-08-31T16:08:49Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > 2 by 2, hands of blue… > > quote aside, he was trying to tell people he was an emt, and asking if they need medical help. With a long gun in his hands? What was he saying, _”Anybody need some triage?”_ ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401/40 "2020-08-31T16:13:14Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Did he take the rifle home or return it to its owner? And if he returned it did he say _”Here’s your rifle back. Just so you know, I used a couple of the bullets.”_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christian-website-does-crowdfund-for-underage-kenosha-shooter-after-gfm-refuses-to-do-it/919401.md?page=3)