# Christians opposed to social justice **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 9, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052 "2018-09-09T15:24:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/1 "2018-09-09T15:24:22Z")
WWJD? [4,400 Pastors Have Signed John MacArthur’s Anti-Social Justice Proclamation](https://relevantmagazine.com/god/church/4400-pastors-have-signed-john-macarthurs-anti-social-justice-proclamation/). > [@](#): > > Early on in the statement, the signers say, “We deny that the postmodern ideologies derived from intersectionality, radical feminism, and critical race theory are consistent with biblical teaching.” The statement also tries to separate the concept of “living justly,” with a biblically prescribed Christian lifestyle: “Implications and applications of the gospel, such as the obligation to live justly in the world, though legitimate and important in their own right, are not definitional components of the gospel.” > > They’ve also added a line that seems to imply that changing or reforming laws—presumably to address social injustices—isn’t all that valuable: “We deny that laws or regulations possess any inherent power to change sinful hearts.” > > In a section on “Sexuality and Marriage,” the statement says, “We reject ‘gay Christian’ as a legitimate biblical category.” And in a section on Complementarianism, they write, “ In marriage the husband is to lead, love, and safeguard his wife and the wife is to respect and be submissive to her husband in all things lawful. In the church, qualified men alone are to lead as pastors/elders/bishops and preach to and teach the whole congregation.” > > When discussing race, the signers say that, “We reject any teaching that encourages racial groups to view themselves as privileged oppressors or entitled victims of oppression. While we are to weep with those who weep, we deny that a person’s feelings of offense or oppression necessarily prove that someone else is guilty of sinful behaviors, oppression, or prejudice.” More proof of humans’ ability to use religion to justify any sort of hatred. But it’s an epidemic in America. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/2 "2018-09-09T15:38:59Z")
What do you use to justify your hatred? From what I’ve seen of you over the years, you have plenty of it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/3 "2018-09-09T15:42:43Z")
No surprise, there’s been a very large component of American Protestantism which has been the philosophical driver of support for oppression and discrimination of people of color (especially black people) since the beginning of American history. Most southern white protestant churches (and many northern ones as well) have been on the wrong side of every single civil rights issue in American history, and it’s no surprise that many still are. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/4 "2018-09-09T15:54:23Z")
Every time I see something like this, I think of a quote by Stephen Colbert (of all people!) “If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we’ve got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don’t want to do it.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/5 "2018-09-09T16:03:25Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > What do you use to justify your hatred? From what I’ve seen of you over the years, you have plenty of it. 4,400 religious leaders sign a declaration of hatred, and the _best_ you can say is “N0-_YOU_!”? It’s as if you’re deliberately trying to nail down the “Biggest Fuckwad Of the Thread” award. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/6 "2018-09-09T16:53:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 4,400 religious leaders sign a declaration of hatred, and the _best_ you can say is “N0-_YOU_!”? > > It’s as if you’re deliberately trying to nail down the “Biggest Fuckwad Of the Thread” award. The thread is young, and the fuckwad competition is just starting to heat up. We should wait for entries from the rest of the antisocial injustice combatants before awarding the prizes. I’ve said it before on this board, but claiming to be a christian is the lowest form of virtue signalling. If being a christian does not mean that you are a follower of christ, if it means that you do not accept his teachings and direction, then calling yourself a christian means nothing, less than that, actually. When someone calls themselves a christian, or refers to another as a “good christian man”, they are implying that there are certain values that are held as part of that belief. Messages like this go against that, and are changing what it means to be a christian. This letter says that to be a christian is not to love your neighbor as yourself, not to judge not, lest you be judged, not to forgive others their trespasses, as you are forgiven for yours, but instead, to love yourself more than others and to judge others for their trespasses. If that is what they want, if they want to redefine christianity as a hate group, then that is not much concern of mine. I just wonder if there are any christians who do actually follow the teachings of christ who would object to their religious beliefs being used as cover for those who are willing to harm others for their own self aggrandizement. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/7 "2018-09-09T17:16:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 4,400 religious leaders sign a declaration of hatred, and the _best_ you can say is “N0-_YOU_!”? > > It’s as if you’re deliberately trying to nail down the “Biggest Fuckwad Of the Thread” award. Don’t you have family members you could be letting down? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/8 "2018-09-09T17:21:19Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Don’t you have family members you could be letting down? Are you drunk? You’re leading with your chin here. Like, WAY out in front. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/9 "2018-09-09T17:43:42Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > What do you use to justify your hatred? From what I’ve seen of you over the years, you have plenty of it. Hey, Chuckles, it’s pretty funny seeing you accuse someone else of hatred. Since you didn’t have the balls to show up in your Pit thread, let’s review some of your assholery here: [Scumpup…Who or what is he/she?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=861741) > [@Goodbye, Straight Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-straight-dope/819899/222): > > Go away, pustule. I am having a little talk with someone who, odious as he is, is worth a truckload of you. > [@Goodbye, Straight Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-straight-dope/819899/218): > > Admire? Only in the sense that one could be said to admire a persistent fungal infection. It, after all, never gives up or goes away either. Tonight, when you lay your head down to sleep, think about this exchange. No doubt, you consider yourself the victor. Ask yourself why. Was it because you were smart or cool or witty? Was it because you displayed courage in the face of adversity? Or is it just because you can’t bear to add one more thing to the endless list of times you failed? > [@Goodbye, Straight Dope](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/goodbye-straight-dope/819899/214): > > Good Christ…The Rubber/Glue Gambit? You really haven’t an ounce of self-respect left, do you? > [@Hey Jim's Son? Go fuck yourself](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-jims-son-go-fuck-yourself/819355/76): > > No. I got that from another member who PMed me. I’m not nearly the only one here who considers you an odious, toxic tile-crawler. > [@Hey Jim's Son? Go fuck yourself](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-jims-son-go-fuck-yourself/819355/67): > > Wait! An absolute nonentity like you wants to shit on me for bringing nothing to the board? If nothing else, I bring strife. You, like Cuntasstasia, have nothing to offer but “Me too!” Fuck me, she is actually a couple notches above you by virtue of being a gossip and a shit-stirrer. You are nobody. > [@Hey Jim's Son? Go fuck yourself](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-jims-son-go-fuck-yourself/819355/36): > > Hey now! If it isn’t everybody’s favorite fake old time lefty! I’m responding to you because it seems that, if I don’t, nobody will. I consider it my act of charity for an old liar who can’t seem to write a funny one line post to save his life. If it weren’t for me, how would you know your posts even show up on the board? > [@Hey Jim's Son? Go fuck yourself](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hey-jims-son-go-fuck-yourself/819355/14): > > Maybe, just maybe, after a decade or so of watching you do your toxic yinzer cunt thing, I just don’t like you. What? You thought that being the pile-on queen and a gossip/shit-stirrer across several boards was the path to being universally beloved? > [@Shup up wiith the "shut up" already](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/204): > > Stoner POS. Your chemical dependancy does not make you a hero of the revolution. > [@Shup up wiith the "shut up" already](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/192): > > I don’t place much value on the opinion of a person who can’t face life without an intoxicant. Go smoke up. Stoners are at their best when they are high enough to finally shut the fuck up. > [@Shup up wiith the "shut up" already](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/152): > > I don’t place much stock in the opinions of a guy who hasn’t had a non-chemically altered week of his life in years. You aren’t morally wrong to be a stoner, you just aren’t someone whose opinion matters to me any more than the mutterings of the wetbrains at the halfway house down the street. > [@Shup up wiith the "shut up" already](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shup-up-wiith-the-shut-up-already/817485/52): > > Thanks for giving us the venomous yinzer toad take on this topic. > [@Mr Dibble: What Kind of Crazy Is He?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-dibble-what-kind-of-crazy-is-he/817528/13): > > I don’t really know who you are. Nor have I read the Netflix thread. I’m just stopping in to note that Dibble is a pompous, preening jackass who is entirely too sure of himself as the most moral guy in the room. He is also one of the top three shrill, annoying scolds at the SDMB. He could look like Idris Elba and I’d still consider him an asshole. > [@y'all wypipo need to grow some skin](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/149): > > Those of you coming down so hard on Mr. Dibble are, clearly, just bigoted against pompous blowhards. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/10 "2018-09-09T17:47:33Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s as if you’re deliberately trying to nail down the “Biggest Fuckwad Of the Thread” award. He nailed down “Biggest Fuckwad on the Board” a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/11 "2018-09-09T18:02:01Z")
> [@](#): > > While we are to weep with those who weep, we deny that a person’s feelings of offense or oppression necessarily prove that someone else is guilty of sinful behaviors, oppression, or prejudice. I hope they’ll remember this when the Temple of Satan rolls up with their Baphomet statue. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/12 "2018-09-09T18:07:09Z")
**Scumpup** is lucky he didn’t see how many members of the clergy signed up to condemn him. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/13 "2018-09-09T18:20:08Z")
**Christians opposed to social justice**? So… “Christians Who Are Nothing Like Jesus”? Nice of them to stand up and admit their hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/14 "2018-09-09T18:50:19Z")
**digs** , do you think they could be persuaded to wear a badge of some sort, or a particularly silly hat? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/15 "2018-09-09T18:54:06Z")
To be honest, I knw lots of Catholics who do follow the ways of Jesus, one nun in particular who travelled to New Orleans with some family friends after Katrina. You know, just to help. But Catholics have the whole molesting priests issue on the other side of the coin. A close family member actually started attending Protestant services after the most recent issues. She ain’t gonna like this. Did the protestant declaration in the OP end with: “…And FUCK Jesus!”? ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/16 "2018-09-09T19:01:37Z")
This could have been a good debate, but since it was started in the Pit and used for nothing more than the latest round of Recreation Outrage, it will go nowhere. A shame. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/17 "2018-09-09T19:04:35Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > **Scumpup** is lucky he didn’t see how many members of the clergy signed up to condemn him. Taken at face value, he looks like he’s defending the clergy. But he wasn’t trying to make any point, just get a quick personal jab in regardless of any logic. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/18 "2018-09-09T19:20:57Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > This could have been a good debate, but since it was started in the Pit and used for nothing more than the latest round of Recreation Outrage, it will go nowhere. A shame. I’m just thinking outside the box here, spitballin you know, stick with me. So start a thread somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/19 "2018-09-09T20:14:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > He nailed down “Biggest Fuckwad on the Board” a long time ago. Glad to see you here, skin tag. Wish you weren’t a mod, but things are what they are. You remain this board’s most useless appendage. E and tardgazm are vital to the community compared to you. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2018, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/20 "2018-09-09T20:18:28Z")
I see civility just entered the room. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052.md?page=2)