# Christians opposed to social justice **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 9, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052 "2018-09-09T15:24:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/61 "2018-09-16T08:03:41Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > If you read what Jesus himself is quoted as saying, it’s clear that he was a radical socialist. Not just “contribute something to the poor” but “give ALL YOU HAVE to the poor”. No, more like “Give all you have to the poor and wait for me to end the world, which will be happening soon. Like, before you die of natural causes soon.” To put a finer point on it, the most Christ-like Christian of modern times was David Koresh, in that both were preaching the End Times, And Soon, in a way pretty much incompatible with living in a society. Paul kept that religion from burning out and made it into something which could turn all that Apocalyptic verbiage into something you could interpret (that is, ignore) and still officially believe in while you kept your lawn up and went to work and otherwise lived as if this decade _wouldn’t_ be the Universe’s last. Christianity is Yet Another Doomsday Religion, this time one which outlived its Great Disappointment and didn’t burn out _or_ fade away, instead becoming fissile, splitting into endless sects and denominations, recursively parochial and endlessly disputing, proving that, hey, maybe this reception theory stuff has something to it after all. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/62 "2018-09-16T08:29:27Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Christ was down with xenophobia too. I mean, yeah, he did that story about the Good Samaritan, but the point of that story is obviously that while that one \*specific \*guy was sort of all right Samaritans are a bunch of cunts, generally speaking. I believe the full context of that parable is that he was saying one of his best friends was a Samaritan. [As always, Mitchell and Webb show us the way:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVB3DdRgqU) > [@](#): > > So what I’m finding offensive — and I’m sure I’m not the only one — is your unreflecting acceptance of this cliché that all Samaritans are wankers. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/63 "2018-09-16T08:54:20Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > [As always, Mitchell and Webb show us the way:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIVB3DdRgqU) Proof that all _good_ translations are retellings, a truly honest version of the Parable of the Good Samaritan in 1450s Western Europe would be the Parable of the Good Jew, in 1950s Mississippi would be the Parable of the Good Negro, and in 2002 America it would be the Parable of the Good Muslim. The fact any Church worth its Rood would recoil at those notions as Innovative tells you something. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/64 "2018-09-16T14:04:04Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > If you read what Jesus himself is quoted as saying, it’s clear that he was a radical socialist. Not just “contribute something to the poor” but “give ALL YOU HAVE to the poor”. > > A man cannot serve two masters. A Christian is a radical socialist, or cannot claim to be a Christian at all. But if you read the statement it says “Nevertheless, while we rejoice in that privilege we grieve that in doing so we know we are taking a stand against the positions of some teachers whom we have long regarded as faithful and trustworthy spiritual guides.” I think they mean Jesus. Actually they are probably referring to the Pope. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/65 "2018-09-16T15:01:42Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > If you read what Jesus himself is quoted as saying, it’s clear that he was a radical socialist. Not just “contribute something to the poor” but “give ALL YOU HAVE to the poor”. Jesus didn’t say the government should give everything to the poor, he said you should. It doesn’t work as social policy, because if everyone gives all they have to the poor, the poor now have all the money and have to give it all back. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/66 "2018-09-16T15:28:07Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > What do you use to justify your hatred? From what I’ve seen of you over the years, you have plenty of it. What? Are we supposed to keep playing nice? I don’t think so. An eye for an eye. Giving back in kind. So ye reap… etcetera. They are a cancer and a heresy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/67 "2018-09-16T15:38:16Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Me, I’m withholding judgement until I learn where they stand on tax cuts. rofl ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/68 "2018-09-17T21:03:36Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > Has everyone here [read it?](https://statementonsocialjustice.com/) Yeah, I’m reading it now. > [@](#): > > I. WE AFFIRM that the Bible is God’s Word, breathed out by him. It is inerrant, infallible, and the final authority for determining what is true (what we must believe) and what is right (how we must live). All truth claims and ethical standards must be tested by God’s final Word, which is Scripture alone. > [@](#): > > V. WE DENY that, other than the previously stated connection to Adam, any person is morally culpable for another person’s sin. Jesus disagrees. Mark 9:42: > [@](#): > > “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.” That sure sounds to me like Jesus is assigning to ‘whoever’ the moral culpability for sin committed by ‘one of these little ones.’ Guess they don’t believe in Biblical inerrancy after all. Oopsies. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/69 "2018-09-17T21:10:45Z")
> [@](#): > > VI. WE AFFIRM that the gospel is the divinely-revealed message concerning the person and work of Jesus Christ—especially his virgin birth, righteous life, substitutionary sacrifice, atoning death, and bodily resurrection—revealing who he is and what he has done with the promise that he will save anyone and everyone who turns from sin by trusting him as Lord. > > WE DENY that anything else, whether works to be performed or opinions to be held, can be added to the gospel without perverting it into another gospel. This also means that implications and applications of the gospel, such as the obligation to live justly in the world, though legitimate and important in their own right, are not definitional components of the gospel. Underlining mine. Apparently some aspects of the Gospel are essential, and others, not so much. But where in Scripture does it say that? Sounds to me like they have “added to the gospel” “opinions to be held” about the gospel, and have therefore “pervert[ed] it into another gospel.” More oopsies. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/70 "2018-09-17T21:33:58Z")
One more - VII: The Church > [@](#): > > WE AFFIRM that the primary role of the church is to worship God through the preaching of his word, teaching sound doctrine, observing baptism and the Lord’s Supper, _refuting those who contradict_… I’m doing the Lord’s work. 🙂 > [@](#): > > WE DENY that political or social activism should be viewed as integral components of the gospel or primary to the mission of the church. Though believers can and should utilize all lawful means that God has providentially established to have some effect on the laws of a society, we deny that these activities are either evidence of saving faith or constitute a central part of the church’s mission given to her by Jesus Christ, her head. We deny that laws or regulations possess any inherent power to change sinful hearts. No doubt, laws and regulations lack any power to change sinful hearts. But they DO have the power to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take care of the sick, and all that stuff that Jesus says the doing of distinguishes the righteous from the damned. (Matt. 25:31-46) I would have this to say to my more conservative brethren: if secular Americans, the supposedly **un** saved, are trying to organize our society in a way such that it does these things, then maybe the supposedly saved evangelical Christians _shouldn’t resist their efforts_. Whatever the salvific\* value of feeding the hungry and treating the sick, if you’re going to throw yourself in the way of those who are trying to see that these things are done, that freakin’ HAS to be wrong. I think that’s about as much of their crap as I can stand at one sitting, so to speak. \*Yes, this really is a word. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/71 "2018-09-17T21:59:53Z")
Proverbs 20:11 – Even a young man is known by his actions–whether his conduct is pure and upright. Luke 6:44 – For each tree is known by its own fruit. Indeed, people do not gather figs from thornbushes, or grapes from brambles. James 2:18 – But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/72 "2018-09-18T08:45:13Z")
Cor 13:13 – And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/73 "2018-09-18T12:03:32Z")
I can see a difference between “anti-Social Justice” and anti-“Social Justice”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/74 "2018-09-18T12:32:11Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > I can see a difference between “anti-Social Justice” and anti-“Social Justice”. But where’s that difference coming from? At best, a failure to listen to what ‘social justice warriors’ are saying, a lack of willingness to engage honestly with them, and a willingness to accept a Fox News-driven caricature of them in place of the real thing. Which would be a failure to recognize that their perceived adversaries, like “all people[,] have inestimable value and dignity before God and deserve honor [and] respect”. (II. Imago Dei.) Or in the words of Terry Pratchett, “Sin is treating people as things.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/75 "2018-09-18T12:45:16Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > I can see a difference between “anti-Social Justice” and anti-“Social Justice”. That is a distinction without a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/76 "2018-09-18T12:49:04Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > I can see a difference between “anti-Social Justice” and anti-“Social Justice”. Me, I’m down with antisocial justice. You’ll always get a fair shake from me because it’s the course of action most likely to make you fuck off and leave me alone. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052/77 "2018-09-18T13:23:36Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Me, I’m down with antisocial justice. You’ll always get a fair shake from me because it’s the course of action most likely to make you fuck off and leave me alone. “Oh, you’re Lawful Good? That’s great. I’m Neutral Gofuckyourself.” 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-opposed-to-social-justice/821052.md?page=3)