# Christians vs Talebans: Half time score Christians 0 Talebans 1

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-vs-talebans-half-time-score-christians-0-talebans-1/78889>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [August 30, 2001, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-vs-talebans-half-time-score-christians-0-talebans-1/78889 "2001-08-30T05:24:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![Gaspode](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gaspode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaspode)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-vs-talebans-half-time-score-christians-0-talebans-1/78889/41 "2001-09-05T03:13:18Z")

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To mhendo,  
No cretin. All you need to do in future is construct arguments that address the facts in evidence rather than those you wish to address, that will prevent all inconsistencies. A tour de force absent of unnecessary rhetoric.

(BTW, personal insults, even if they are couched in sarcasm, are not permitted in GD.)

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**Author:** ![Dave\_Stewart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Dave\_Stewart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dave_Stewart)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-vs-talebans-half-time-score-christians-0-talebans-1/78889/42 "2001-09-05T03:33:17Z")

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Actually, **Gaspode** , perhaps if you could address what you \*think \* **mhendo** is saying (that is, if you think mhendo is not expressing his argument properly, try and argue his point from his position and then give an answer), this otherwise interesting issue might get somewhere rather than get bogged down with you two calling each other names. I have no idea if he is “strawmaning” or not - when it became clear you two were fighting and not debating I skipped what you’ve written, which probably isn’t satisfactory for either of you.

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> Well for those refugees who have documentation I gather it’s rather rapid. For those who don’'t hten it gets far more comlictaed apparently. MAny of these refugees arrive with no documentation and no reason for not having such, so the process is delayed considerably.
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> Simply having more manpower is probably not the solution since manpower costs money, and money, like all resources is ultimately limited.  
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So how do they actually conduct investigations then of people without documentation? The entire process must be impossible.

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> No, it’s not. Criminal history checks of some sort are required before a visa will be issued. Also the home adress, relatives, physical description etc. of passport holders is known, so thy’re not simply complete strangers with no past wandering around the country. They’re wanted people with a history and description.  
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That’s interesting. The only country I’ve ever had to provide employment information and a statement of no previous convictions for is the US. I know someone who once went to South Africa, had a previous criminal record, lied about it on his visa declaration, and was not caught out. I didn’t know that Australian visitors must provide such a statement, and doubt its effectiveness anyway. With the sheer number of visitors, how could they screen them all?

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> While i agree with this, it assumes that all the peolpe brought in in this way are legally entitled to be here and not sucking resources and places from genuine refugees. this isn’t the case, and as such encouraging smugglers and allowing them to exapnd their businesses is a threat to genuine refugees as well.  
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How so? I’m not challenging you - I don’t know how expansion of smugglers’ businesses threatens legitimate refugees.

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> well i’m not sure what this is getting at, but I agree. How this adresses the issue of how to ensure fraudulent cases don’t siphon funds from genuine cases is beyond me. It seems the Swedish cases you discuss are genuine refugees, once that is determined then everything else is simply more rorting, and is done by immigrant and indigenous alike.
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The example was off target in retrospect. I was trying to give an example of how refugees rorting a system can create resentment and divert a government’s resources - but this is equally applicable to legitimate refugees and “illegitimate” refugees alike.

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