# Christians. You Love Jesus? Why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851 "2011-05-14T00:11:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/61 "2011-05-30T11:28:20Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > As is your custom you seem unable to realize that most swords have 2 edges. > > At any rate, thanks for the witness. I didn’t think we were talking swords, and yes a coin and a pancake have 2 sides, the real worth is in the material. If we were more civilized swords would be unnecessary! There is a big difference between belief and truth. I see nothing wrong with belief,I just prefer truth! ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/62 "2011-05-30T11:43:14Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I didn’t think we were talking swords, and yes a coin and a pancake have 2 sides, the real worth is in the material. If we were more civilized swords would be unnecessary! > > There is a big difference between belief and truth. I see nothing wrong with belief,I just prefer truth! What is truth? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/63 "2011-05-30T12:49:39Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > What is truth? That which is there whether you believe in it or not. ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/64 "2011-05-30T21:32:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That which is there whether you believe in it or not. Ahhh. So truth is objective then? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/65 "2011-05-30T23:16:56Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Ahhh. So truth is objective then? If a man walks past the edge of a cliff, can his belief or disbelief change the outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/66 "2011-05-30T23:22:23Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Ahhh. So truth is objective then? Yes. That’s what makes it the truth in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/67 "2011-05-31T02:58:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If a man walks past the edge of a cliff, can his belief or disbelief change the outcome? Why would you offer an oblique analogy when so many highly relevant ones are available? For example, If **FriarTed** believes that the universe is governed by a creator, and further believes that at some point in the future he will make himself manifest in some clear way-----like Armageddon of The rapture or something------ can his belief possibly change the outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/68 "2011-05-31T03:02:12Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > For example, If **FriarTed** believes that the universe is governed by a creator, and further believes that at some point in the future he will make himself manifest in some clear way-----like Armageddon of The rapture or something------ can his belief possibly change the outcome? No. Unless he builds God & a time machine and sends God back to create the universe. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/69 "2011-05-31T03:32:58Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Is that so you don’t have to actually show us the premise of the OP? I’m not sure what you mean by this question. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/70 "2011-05-31T11:37:07Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > What is truth? Truth is what is…even if unknown! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851/71 "2011-05-31T12:25:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’ve met Him, I know Him and I Love Him. That’s all there is to it that’s all there will ever be to it. > > I don’t care about the books, as everything comes from God, it’s all His. It doesn’t matter what proof comes up as everything is His, even the proof is from Him. > > Jesus is Love is God. Where there is Love there He is. God is One. So you are saying that if no one had ever written the Bible, you feel confidant that you would still know that there was a God and that he had sent his son to save you 2000 years ago? Stuff you’ve read in the Bible doesn’t inform your views on God and Jesus at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-you-love-jesus-why/581851.md?page=3)