# Christine O'Donnell has replaced Palin in my heart of hearts... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499 "2010-09-21T02:35:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/361 "2010-10-20T17:34:34Z")
I refudiate your interpretation! ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/362 "2010-10-20T17:58:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > She had crammed for a pop quiz that her opponent had not crammed for. I would wager that Coons knows full well what the five freedoms are. My take on that exchange was that he was simply refusing to jump through the hoops she was holding up. Why give her that control, even if he answers correctly? Rush Limbaugh’s attempt to defend her by claiming she meant that the _exact phrase_ “separation of church and state” does not appear in the constitution is just idiotic. Hey Rush, where in the Ten Commandments does it say I “shouldn’t murder anybody”? That exact phrase is not in there anywhere! Fortunately, it looks like O’Donnell is going to lose, but It scares me that _anybody_ is going to vote for this fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/363 "2010-10-20T18:08:12Z")
Too much attention is being given to O’Donnel. She clearly is not going to win. If she wasn’t attractive she probably would not get half the attention. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/364 "2010-10-20T18:26:25Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I **refudiate** your interpretation! I honestly believe this word is going to be Palin’s most long-lasting contribution to American history. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/365 "2010-10-20T18:31:22Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Rush Limbaugh’s attempt to defend her by claiming she meant that the _exact phrase_ “separation of church and state” does not appear in the constitution is just idiotic. Hey Rush, where in the Ten Commandments does it say I “shouldn’t murder anybody”? That exact phrase is not in there anywhere! Let’s not get all echo-chamber-y in here. The Religious Right has been pounding on that drum (SOCAS not mentioned in the Constitution) for the past ten years, at least. It doesn’t serve us well to pretend that this is the first time it’s been tried in public. Coons would have done a lot better to have smacked her down for trying such a hoary and already discredited approach. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/366 "2010-10-20T18:36:41Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Rush Limbaugh’s attempt to defend her by claiming she meant that the _exact phrase_ “separation of church and state” does not appear in the constitution is just idiotic. Hey Rush, where in the Ten Commandments does it say I “shouldn’t murder anybody”? That exact phrase is not in there anywhere! Well, _is_ it? There are otherwise ingenuous posters here who make the same type of argument with regards to Palin’s Vice President comment or O’Donnell’s mumbo-jumbo about China preparing to take over America. This may go a step beyond that if it’s also defending the overall viewpoint that’s taught in Glenn Beck U., but the basic “you can’t make fun of a broken clock” routine is prominent here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/367 "2010-10-20T18:38:22Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Too much attention is being given to O’Donnel. She clearly is not going to win. If she wasn’t attractive she probably would not get half the attention. Michele Bachmann is not attractive, but we still get plenty of fun out of her! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/368 "2010-10-20T19:18:49Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I honestly believe this word is going to be Palin’s most long-lasting contribution to American history. Besides setting back feminism thirty years? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/369 "2010-10-20T20:04:43Z")
Better than the nuclear wasteland that would have been had she and McCain won the election. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/370 "2010-10-20T20:30:01Z")
On the subject of Michele Bachmann, [here’s](http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_16373290?nclick_check=1) a nice bit of hypocrisy on her part: > [@](#): > > Despite vocal criticism of the federal stimulus package and a re-election campaign that trades heavily on her opposition to it, Minnesota Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann sought stimulus funding on at least seven occasions last year. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/371 "2010-10-20T22:23:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > On the subject of Michele Bachmann, [here’s](http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_16373290?nclick_check=1) a nice bit of hypocrisy on her part: Nothing hypocritcal about that. Once the money is approved and being spent, you might as well make sure your constituents get a portion. Some of it is coming out of their pockets. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/372 "2010-10-21T10:30:09Z")
O’Donnell website lists support by right wing whackaloon [Pamela Geller](http://www.salon.com/news/christine_odonnell/?story=/politics/war_room/2010/10/20/christine_odonnell_pamela_geller_endorsement): > [@](#): > > Pamela Geller, the main instigator in this summer’s [anti-mosque frenzy](http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins), is a bigoted conspiracy theorist. She’s a liar and probably slightly insane. She regularly compares Muslims to Nazis. Geller’s called Barack Obama’s birth certificate a forgery, and Obama a Muslim. She published a lengthy “investigation” on her site in 2008 [claiming that Obama’s father was actually Malcolm X](http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html). And Charles Johnson recently documented [her many ties to far-right neo-fascist movements](http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37400_The_Ludicrous_Lies_of_Robert_Spencer) in Europe. Johnson has examples of Geller defending white supremacists and even genocidal war criminals. The comedy darkens; we shall know her by the company she keeps. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/373 "2010-10-21T11:18:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Nothing hypocritcal about that. Once the money is approved and being spent, you might as well make sure your constituents get a portion. Some of it is coming out of their pockets. It is hypocritical when she [claims in her radio ads](http://wcco.com/realitycheck/bachmann.aid.package.2.1859485.html) that “This congress has already spent $3.6 trillion on stimulus that failed to produce jobs,” then turns around and [writes a letter to the Transportation Department](http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/105224129.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3iUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr) crowing that “MnDOT estimates that the project would directly produce 1,407 new jobs per year while indirectly producing 1,563 a year – a total of 2,970 jobs each year after the project’s completion,” Even you must concede the hypocrisy in that. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/374 "2010-10-21T12:10:53Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It is hypocritical when she [claims in her radio ads](http://wcco.com/realitycheck/bachmann.aid.package.2.1859485.html) that “This congress has already spent $3.6 trillion on stimulus that failed to produce jobs,” then turns around and [writes a letter to the Transportation Department](http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/105224129.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3iUMEaPc:E7_ec7PaP3iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr) crowing that “MnDOT estimates that the project would directly produce 1,407 new jobs per year while indirectly producing 1,563 a year – a total of 2,970 jobs each year after the project’s completion,” > > Even you must concede the hypocrisy in that. Maybe that $3.6 trillion is what was squandered in other states, but under her wise oversight, the moeny spent in Minnesota actually did some good. Is that number remotely right? I don’t think I’ve heard $3.6 trillion for the stimulus before. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/375 "2010-10-21T12:27:00Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > O’Donnell website lists support by right wing whackaloon [Pamela Geller](http://www.salon.com/news/christine_odonnell/?story=/politics/war_room/2010/10/20/christine_odonnell_pamela_geller_endorsement):The comedy darkens; we shall know her by the company she keeps. You know, even with Johnson’s recent return to sanity, when Little Green Footballs calls you a fascist sympathizer and you’re NOT a liberal, you really need to take a longer look at your life… ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/376 "2010-10-21T13:45:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Nothing hypocritcal about that. Once the money is approved and being spent, you might as well make sure your constituents get a portion. Some of it is coming out of their pockets. So you can be against robbing banks, but once the bank has already been robbed, it’s not hypocritical to ask for a share of the loot. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/377 "2010-10-21T14:01:22Z")
That would be a good analogy if government spending was morally or legally equivalent to bank robbing. Look, O’Donnell’s conduct in _this particular case_ is clearly hypocritical. However, opposing spending while simultaneously attempting to grab as much of it as you can, _in general_, is not. Remember when Rick Perry said he’d refuse stimulus money? Remember how we said he was retarded? That’s because he _was_. If all the other states are getting a big chunk of change, you’d better get yours too. That doesn’t mean you can’t demand that states stop getting big chunks of change. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/378 "2010-10-21T14:11:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That would be a good analogy if government spending was morally or legally equivalent to bank robbing. But Bachmann is essentially claiming that it is. She’s condemning the stimulus as destructive and evil (and actively running ads to that effect pretty much constantly up here). Whether that’s true or not (and it obviously is not), is beside the point. If SHE is going to call stimulus spending evil, then it’s hypocritical for her to participate in it. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/379 "2010-10-21T14:14:18Z")
Sorry, I meant to say Bachmann, not O’Donnell. Having trouble keeping my Asshole Right-Wing Females From Cold Places straight. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499/380 "2010-10-21T14:26:47Z")
There is a fine line. As part of an organization, I may strongly advocate for spending more of our budget on _X_ than _Y_, with very good reason. However, if I’m overruled, that doesn’t preclude me from benefiting from expenditures on _Y_. In this case, the case which I think John is assuming, then there is no hypocrisy. In Dio’s case, there is a stated moral objection to _Y_. As such, it would be hypocritical to benefit from it. From what I’ve gathered, Bachmann’s rhetoric is much closer to the latter. Any evidence to the contrary? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christine-odonnell-has-replaced-palin-in-my-heart-of-hearts/554499.md?page=20)